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Re: Data collected by cars and sold to third parties

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My question is why, with their protection laws, Smart TVs and Smart Cars are still sold in the EU?

Do they do the same spying on the models/units produced for sale in EU? It’s not actually a necessary part of the operation of the device, so it makes sense they’d be able to sell them without it.

For cars they most certainly do.

Re: Data collected by cars and sold to third parties

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Disabling the antennas is the only way to be sure. There will typically be a coax connection that you can cap with a terminator. GPS can be merged with other radios you might not want to lose but suitable splitters are available.

GPS uses a different frequency and a very weak signal. The antenna is typically separate from the others but it's very small 1. https://learn.sparkfun.com/tutorials/gnss-chip-antenna-hooku...

I thought most would use their “shark fin” on the roof for everything (if there is one but there usually is). Terminating on the other end somewhere with a color coded FAKRA connector.

Re: Data collected by cars and sold to third parties

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Your cell phone could easily call for help in a crash without the car being involved at all.

Not if I'm unconscious?

From a cellphone’s perspective a crash = extreme acceleration with different vectors vs a dropped phone, they can also listen for broken glass etc. So even with GPS off that’s detectable.

iPhone 14+ and Android 12+ https://en.androidsis.com/How-to-activate-automatic-accident...

Re: Data collected by cars and sold to third parties

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Your mileage went from VW->telematics vendor->broker->carfax, thats the chain it usually follows. The fuse stops it but the real issue is the owner is the only one without the record. You could probably find some interesting info if you send out some privacy requests through the chain. LexisNexis and Verisk are consumer reporting agencies, so they have to provide you a disclosure on request. Start there.

So I first read this comment and thought is looked like AI and thought I’d give the benefit of the doubt. Then I saw this where there is no doubt: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49687774 I thought, I wonder if it’s the same guy? Sure enough. Stop it.

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Re: Data collected by cars and sold to third parties

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My question is why, with their protection laws, Smart TVs and Smart Cars are still sold in the EU?

HN on average is a little behind on the general EU "privacy" stance (though I saw some recent topic about that here). EU was about privacy, a few decades ago. Nowadays it did a complete U-turn and legislates mandatory anti-privacy union-wide laws every year. - Chat Control law, now all messaging must be intercepted and monitored. - eIDAS law, mandating that web-browser vendors must now accept state issued root certif…

Breathtaking levels of misinformation here.

There is no EU law that mandates "all messaging must be intercepted and monitored."

There is no EU law mandating permanent, non-disableable cameras and microphones in cars.

ProtectEU is not a law, not related to email and does not demand any "backdoors."

The AI Act bans real-time facial/biometric recognition in public places... which is a good thing. It does not "legalize AI surveillance"... quite the opposite.

EMFA does not authorize the deployment of spyware and they have publicly condemned the use of Pegasus specifically.

Re: Data collected by cars and sold to third parties

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It really isn't. FB Marketplace is literally awash in perfectly serviceable vehicles that don't and can't phone home. For the budget conscious among us it's also significantly cheaper to buy a "clapped out" used older car and refresh the drive train than buying new or late model.

Besides the irony of a privacy-conscious user using facebook to buy a car... those "perfectly-serviceable vehicles" are 1. no longer manufactured, and 2. will not last forever. Unless a new age of unconnected cars becomes a reality in the near future, I don't see this being a long-term solution.

"will not last forever" doesn't comport with observed reality to date. There are literally model A's still on the road. Barring true oddities there doesn't appear to be a model of production vehicle that has gone extinct at any point in automotive history. Anyway, three of my cars are older than I am, and I am not a young man. Buying into their shit is optional.

Re: Data collected by cars and sold to third parties

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I posted a flavor of this comment on an article a few months ago, but it's relevant here: I have a seven year old Volkswagen, not financed. I'm security conscious and made sure to disable all the data collection I could find in the companion app before removing my account, turn off remote access services, dig through the infotainment to turn off what I could, etc. Last year I requested a Carfax on it, and one of the…

> I'm security conscious and made sure to disable all the data collection I could find in the companion app before removing my account, turn off remote access services, dig through the infotainment to turn off what I could, etc.

Android Auto, Apple CarPlay, OEM mobile app...Bluetooth??

Consider the business case of leased Comcast (as the largest ISP in the US) modems broadcasting open side-channel xfinitywifi SSIDs...essentially everywhere.

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Would be darkly hilarious if they were using the speaker or rear defroster as a cellular antenna. (Yeah, technically horrible but I’m sure someone will find a way)

Funny enough i was just recently thinking about how most defrosters would probably make a great antenna with minor modifications

Just recently? The industry has been thinking about it[1][2][3][4] since before most of us were born.

[1] https://patents.google.com/patent/US3576576A/en

[2] https://patents.google.com/patent/US3611388A/en

[3] https://patents.google.com/patent/US3971029A/en

[4] https://patents.google.com/patent/US4095228A/en

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