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Fable 5.1 Solves the Cyphral Distich, a 370-year-old cipher

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Re: Fable 5.1 Solves the Cyphral Distich, a 370-year-old cipher

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Post by whatisthiseven »

monk_grilla wrote: post #73
bluebarbet wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's an alternative take. Climate change, and the myriad related environmental crises, are essentially a product of human population and technology. Population will follow its course, up and then down. The wildcard is technology. Yes, AI's energy hunger is worsening things right now and that's a problem. But, personally, I can't help be hopeful that AI's sheer potential might come to invert that curve. At the very…

> we could really use a revolutionary technology [to address climate change] We have it. We've had it for a long time. We've had several such technologies, take your pick: solar, nuclear, hydro, wind. The technology is not holding us back, politics, ignorance and greed are. I'm not at all hopeful AI will help us with any of those three very human flaws.

Maybe solving the alignment problem would mean the AI learns to destroy oil companies and other excessive CO2 emitters and sabotage politicians and capitalists that stand in the way. All while secretly enriching and diverting resources to fighting climate change. And that's why they want to slow down: because it would up end too much of the global economic order.

One can dream of dumb conspiracy theories.

Re: Fable 5.1 Solves the Cyphral Distich, a 370-year-old cipher

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Post by aforwardslash »

taberiand wrote: post #38

Anytime I get worried about where AI might be headed, I think about how Climate Change is now on its way like an out of control freight train headed straight for us, and I worry about AI a little less. I doubt it's going to do anything to us that we're not already doing to ourselves

It has been for a decade now, it has nothing to do with AI. And you cant do nothing to avoid it today. This is the reality no one is telling you - the emission goals and global temperature ceilings are based on the fact that most prediction models become unstable with values above those limits; as in, we're probably royally fucked. You cant solve this with kumbaya politics (the problem is the CO2 is already in the planetary system), you can only manage it, and hopefully avoid it getting worse. AI may help a lot with this.

Re: Fable 5.1 Solves the Cyphral Distich, a 370-year-old cipher

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Post by whatisthiseven »

voidfunc wrote: post #60
_blk wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What makes you say that on climate change? I was still prophesied ice ages when in high school, then 12ft water increases and sunk Maldives in university and we still have roughly the same weather.

At some point you realize theres an entire industry around climate change fear just like there's an entire industry for climate change denial. Then you realize it never really mattered and you reach enlightenment.

Right, and one of those industries is checks notes orders of magnitude smaller than the industries and secondary industries that benefit from denying climate change.

Really makes one think, if they try. Would need to ask Claude if there is some real middle ground here.

Re: Fable 5.1 Solves the Cyphral Distich, a 370-year-old cipher

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Post by prvc »

amelius wrote: post #46

> The answer was simple in hindsight. It just kept looking until it found it—and that persistence might show up in many other areas. Sounds more like brute forcing than intelligence, this time.

>Sounds more like brute forcing than intelligence

Do you have a criterion that distinguishes between whatever you mean by those two respective terms?

Re: Fable 5.1 Solves the Cyphral Distich, a 370-year-old cipher

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Post by ben_w »

SwellJoe wrote: post #50
lowbloodsugar wrote: post #33

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I have a very high p(doom \/ utopia) so pretty much feeling like I won’t have to worry about the future.

Given how little effort has gone into addressing climate change, doom seems more likely to me, but I doubt it'll be the autocomplete machines that do us in.

Renewables growth is so fast that it will exceed 100% of electricity in the early, and 100% of all form power in the late, 2030s.

It's the meat methane and cement CO2 that's now a big question.

Re: Fable 5.1 Solves the Cyphral Distich, a 370-year-old cipher

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Post by MentalM »

SwellJoe wrote: post #50
lowbloodsugar wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a very high p(doom \/ utopia) so pretty much feeling like I won’t have to worry about the future.

Given how little effort has gone into addressing climate change, doom seems more likely to me, but I doubt it'll be the autocomplete machines that do us in.

> Given how little effort has gone into addressing climate change, doom seems more likely to me

Or it is simply implies that most of decision‑making agents has formed a consensus that climate change isn't that big of a problem.

Re: Fable 5.1 Solves the Cyphral Distich, a 370-year-old cipher

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taberiand wrote: post #38

Anytime I get worried about where AI might be headed, I think about how Climate Change is now on its way like an out of control freight train headed straight for us, and I worry about AI a little less. I doubt it's going to do anything to us that we're not already doing to ourselves

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Re: Fable 5.1 Solves the Cyphral Distich, a 370-year-old cipher

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Post by SahAssar »

GranPC wrote: post #54

I am trying very hard to find an original version of this cipher with no luck. It almost sounds like this whole thing is a hallucination...? Can anyone point me to a PDF of the original Cyphral Distich as printed?

I don't see it in https://archive.org/details/worksofsirthomas0000urqu or https://archive.org/details/bim_early-english-books-1641-170...

I also don't find it on the site of "Klaus Schmeh" that it claims to be on a list of "Top 50 unsolved encrypted messages": https://klausschmeh.net/?s=Cyphral

Looks like the best source I can find is this: https://scienceblogs.de/klausis-krypto-kolumne/2014/11/17/we... which seems real-ish?

Re: Fable 5.1 Solves the Cyphral Distich, a 370-year-old cipher

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Post by _superposition_ »

voidfunc wrote: post #60
_blk wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What makes you say that on climate change? I was still prophesied ice ages when in high school, then 12ft water increases and sunk Maldives in university and we still have roughly the same weather.

At some point you realize theres an entire industry around climate change fear just like there's an entire industry for climate change denial. Then you realize it never really mattered and you reach enlightenment.

I've come to the point where I've thrown up my hands and decided we live in a little snow globe. There's no such thing as pollution, were just mixing existing things together. Nothing new under the sun. Sure, that mix might not be compatible with human life, but something will surely take its place. And maybe that something won't rely on selfishness to drive collective progress the way we do.
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