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David Sacks: OpenAI and Anthropic Don't Need Regulations to Pace Frontier Models

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Re: David Sacks: OpenAI and Anthropic Don't Need Regulations to Pace Frontier Models

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They seem to be okay with an American slowdown, even though the Chinese won’t slow down. So maybe they want something the Chinese already have: liability protection.

The models spontaneously hack everything important without shame.

The frontier labs are going to get enjoined and regulated twelve ways to Sunday if the Feds don’t socialize the costs.

Re: David Sacks: OpenAI and Anthropic Don't Need Regulations to Pace Frontier Models

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post #33

He is neither right or wrong. The reality is that this is a lose-lose situation from the ordinary person's perspective. Regulation -> regulatory capture and things get worse faster, no regulation -> things simply get worse faster. I mean I don't know what we do at this point. Ideally AI researchers need to be treated like nuclear scientists working for an adversary. But we all know that's not going to happen.

Maybe organize politically? The labs are still staffed by people, and nonviolent demonstrations outside their offices can still reach them.

Re: David Sacks: OpenAI and Anthropic Don't Need Regulations to Pace Frontier Models

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post #24

The first time I have agreed with David Sacks

Yup. Sacks has been so consistently catastrophically wrong about everything else (especially geopolitics), this prompts me to reconsider my opinion on this. [edit: +consistently]

To be fair, his takes on the Ukraine war from the covid days have aged very well, and were contrarian to mainstream narratives at the time.

Re: David Sacks: OpenAI and Anthropic Don't Need Regulations to Pace Frontier Models

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it’s more than money and slowing progress. Public perception on AI is in the gutter. That is a much bigger threat to these companies. They’re trying to turn it around.

Public perception is another big one. But I think with the way AI is slated to grow exponentially it's going to hit electricity limits very soon. Big tech can build a huge data center in 5 years but scaling up the electrical infrastructure is mired in red tape and can take on the order of decades.

How did modernization get subsumed into scaling up. The us power grid has been outdated tech for decades

Re: David Sacks: OpenAI and Anthropic Don't Need Regulations to Pace Frontier Models

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post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The EU is not leading anything. They may as well just commit to becoming a subsistence agricultural society with EPCOT heirlooms on display.

If the rest of the world follows them on regulations they've thought through before anyone else, then I don't know what you would call that other than leading? Like, definitionally that's what leading is. It's interesting you're so derisive of actual, pragmatic leadership, of y'know deciding how we as a society will relate to new technologies - not just unthinkingly building gadgets.

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Re: David Sacks: OpenAI and Anthropic Don't Need Regulations to Pace Frontier Models

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post #10

He's right that if all the frontier labs are in agreement that they should slow down, they don't need the government to do that.

Idk how sincere they are being, but taking them at their word then asking government to set rules is entirely reasonable and, in fact, the entire reason government exists. The feds can, should and arguably must set actual safety limits. Biden actually took a stab at it and Trump instantly rescinded. They should not need an open invitation from CEOs. Just do it. Like immediately.

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#98

I'll go a step further, they aren't just pretending, they are blackmailing the country. The sane response would be "we don't negotiate with terrorists, and you will face criminal and financial penalties for damages caused."

Couldn't agree more. Better yet: the AI labs get straight up nationalized.

No. That kills competition. I want everyone to be competing on the open playing field they are right now, with losses socialized as minimally as possible. There's nothing fundamentally special about LLM companies that would warrant nationalizing them.

Re: David Sacks: OpenAI and Anthropic Don't Need Regulations to Pace Frontier Models

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Eh. This entire tweet smacks of being AI generated. It has a huge amount of LLM-isms. I wouldn't be surprised if Sacks just prompted an LLM to just come up with whatever rebuttal to whatever the regulation side comes up (given the big set of regulation tweets) with sounds most convincing, given his usual anti-regulation stance. Anyone with a Pangram account who can check?

Pangram reports 100% AI generated

https://www.pangram.com/history/410ce80f-bd0e-45b6-a82c-d6ed...

Re: David Sacks: OpenAI and Anthropic Don't Need Regulations to Pace Frontier Models

#100

I'll go a step further, they aren't just pretending, they are blackmailing the country. The sane response would be "we don't negotiate with terrorists, and you will face criminal and financial penalties for damages caused."

If they were really worried about the models of the future, they should be accelerating their hardening efforts. They should be trying to speed up progress as much as possible so that all vulnerabilities can be patched before China gets there.

There's a world where the labs WANT Open Source AI to cause a disaster.

Pacing the frontier just means giving bad actors an opportunity to create an AI disaster which would force an extreme response by governments. Which they seem to be begging for.

Dario's big scary example was AI that can hack the internet. Why aren't the labs calling on the government to help harden everything? Why are Anthropic's Glasswing and OpenAI's Daybreak still commercial endeavours?

To me, the only real risk of AI is hacking. Why all of this commotion about existential risk? Seems like a distraction.

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