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Re: LG says we're fake news [video]

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Post by mapontosevenths »

nickthegreek wrote: post #151
mapontosevenths wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The gamers nexus thing touched on this.. Apparently some ignore that choice and connect to open wifi or something like Comcasts modem hijacking wifi.

they stated it technical could. not that they have evidence of that happening.

You're right. I think I conflated allegations in the comments with the actual claims made in the Youtube video.

GM did show that the devices scan for open wifi networks, and users in the comments have claimed that it connects without their permission.

Gamers nexus did not make that claim about them actually connecting though.

Re: LG says we're fake news [video]

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Post by Yizahi »

oh_my_goodness wrote: post #14
dgellow wrote: post #9

This „we own the glass“ idea is completely insane. How does an industry degenerate to the point where they consider acceptable to base their business model on owning part of the product they sell you?

If you don't have laws, or don't enforce them, people will do whatever they want. I can remember when this simple point was obvious to almost everyone.

I would rewrite it as follows: " If a country had some good and working components a few years or centuries ago, it doesn't mean that it is still working fine today". E.g. If a country had a working legislative branch 50 years ago and it was one of the best at that time, it doesn't mean it is good or even working at all today, despite having the same name.

I'm implying that parliaments in multiple developed countries are rapidly devolving and ceding their powers and/or work to the unelected or unrelated officials.

Re: LG says we're fake news [video]

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Post by Yizahi »

tomkarho wrote: post #122

I wonder if the following scenario ever occurred inside LG when they were designing this spyware. 1. Teenagers exist 2. Teenagers hook up with other teenagers 3. Sometimes that might happen on the couch in front of the TV If that TV records and transmits anything, who is on the hook for production and distribution of illicit materials? The parents? The kids? Or LG? PR/legal wise this might be the worst case scenario…

4. Wait for anyone to come knocking regarding illegal spying.

5. Discover there is absolutely zero enforcement if you are govt. intertwined oligarchy owned conglomerate.

6. Sell collected data (akshully it will be synthetic data "of course", wink-wink) to a legal front to a Nexus darknet laundromat. Also known as "identity verification provider or other somesuch.

7. Insurance companies legally partner with a different legal Nexus front corpo, which will ingest stolen data and make it "sythetic data" again, wink-wink; then provide it to the insurance corpos.

8. Insurance is opaquely "adjusted" to those same teenagers.

9. Profit :)

Re: LG says we're fake news [video]

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Post by qlte »

MattTheRealOne wrote: post #20
hadlock wrote: post #15

I deeply regret buying my LG. Originally the plan was to never connect it to wifi, and use an external device (chromecast, apple tv, or whatever) but my wife was too excited to try out whatever features. Unfortunately we can't sell the TV for anywhere what we paid for it new (to replace it with a different brand) so we're stuck with it for another ~7-10 years, or whatever the standard TV replacement interval is these…

Sony uses Google TV. Doesn't inspire trust as far as spying and data collection goes.

Google TV Basic Mode is the easiest way to get a "dumb" TV, it's the first thing you're asked when you setup for the first time and works like you'd expect.

Re: LG says we're fake news [video]

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Post by qlte »

reaperducer wrote: post #68
jeffbee wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It feels like there must be multiple completely different implementations of LG OLED TVs. I would not say that my LG has a "main screen" of any kind. When I turn mine on it shows the last input that had been used or, if that thing is off, it shows the bouncy egg and "No Signal". If I press the button on the remote that says RECENTS and has a picture of a house on it, which I guess is the "main screen", it maintains t…

Hulu, Prime, Peacock, YouTube, Netflix, Apple TV, and Disney+ happen to be today's recents. Where do you find the time to post on HN?

Recents as of today

Re: LG says we're fake news [video]

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Post by qlte »

OroPla wrote: post #138
karim79 wrote: post #109

Honestly an incredible and educational video. The sheer effort of what went into this is astounding. All my TVs are LG and I bought a fancy one for my mother and sisters. Now I'm having nightmares and trying to figure out what the hell to do.

Taking them off the wifi and changing your wifi password seems to be all you need to do. While they are technically capable to look for open wifi, this is not something they do out of the box, as far as my understanding goes.

Correct, no one has ever provided a case of this actually happening on any TV model.

But that doesn't stop people from repeating it any time someone gives the incredibly straightforward suggestion to just disconnect WiFi if you're concerned about intrusive monitoring.

Re: LG says we're fake news [video]

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Post by spopejoy »

MisterTea wrote: post #32

Who's selling dumb TV's again, Samsung? Who else? I'll happily pay a thousand bucks to not get screwed by my TV.

Just keep it disconnected and enjoy the "dumb" TV with a streamer box.

The reports of user-disconnected TVs jumping on open wifis or Amazon sidewalk by themselves are not credible. All of the problems stem from connecting the TV so don't.

I would be surprised if a truly dumb TV would be as good quality as modern LGs etc for the price. Maybe I'm wrong. But please don't pay _more_ for a dumb TV.

Re: LG says we're fake news [video]

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Post by Hammershaft »

sumedh wrote: post #96
kelipso wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disconnect it from the internet, buy a streaming device, and use the streaming device. It’s really not that complicated. If you want a bit complicated, you can probably unscrew the back panel and remove the wifi card.

> It’s really not that complicated. You can do that no the average joe.

The "average joe" can absolutely do that...

It's as simple as buying a TV, never hooking it up, and then buying something like an Apple TV that you do hook up to the internet.

Re: LG says we're fake news [video]

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Post by Hammershaft »

VCFundedGenYer wrote: post #154
sixothree wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can we really trust it to honor your request to stop using the internet? After hearing them speak on this subject, I have my doubts it will honor your request so quickly and easily.

You can't change the laws of physics. If it isn't connected to the network, it can't communicate.

Unless it is factory reset (and even then?) it presumably still has saved wifi credentials?
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