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Re: LG says we're fake news [video]

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Post by jagged-chisel »

simmonmt wrote: post #59
dgellow wrote: post #9

This „we own the glass“ idea is completely insane. How does an industry degenerate to the point where they consider acceptable to base their business model on owning part of the product they sell you?

It's not entirely the fault of the industry. Consumer preferences are part of this equation too. https://www.streamtvinsider.com/advertising/roku-vizio-lean-... If consumers are unwilling to shell out for a TV priced high enough that the manufacturer doesn't need to do things like this to earn a (decent) profit, then what we've got is what you get. You could certainly argue that the industry should've held the line,…

> If consumers are unwilling to shell out for a TV priced high enough that the manufacturer doesn't need to do things like this to earn a (decent) profit, ...

The problem is, even if the device is priced at cost plus a reasonable margin, they can make more margin by selling data that they acquire by spying. No matter the margin on the sale, there's still more money to make by selling that data. There is no upper limit that magically prevents the manufacturer from looking for other avenues to increase profit. "Premium" device priced 3x the "reasonable" price? Still more money to be made selling data.

Now, factor in the race to the bottom on selling price, and those data sales just look that much more enticing.

Re: LG says we're fake news [video]

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Post by crooked-v »

simmonmt wrote: post #59
dgellow wrote: post #9

This „we own the glass“ idea is completely insane. How does an industry degenerate to the point where they consider acceptable to base their business model on owning part of the product they sell you?

It's not entirely the fault of the industry. Consumer preferences are part of this equation too. https://www.streamtvinsider.com/advertising/roku-vizio-lean-... If consumers are unwilling to shell out for a TV priced high enough that the manufacturer doesn't need to do things like this to earn a (decent) profit, then what we've got is what you get. You could certainly argue that the industry should've held the line,…

You're expecting consumers to be able to compare these anti-features that are actively hidden from them. It's like airline seats - airlines get away with continually shrinking them because consumers have no way to actually compare airline seat sizes ahead of time.

Re: LG says we're fake news [video]

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Post by whstl »

neom wrote: post #12
kouteiheika wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's almost certainly A/B test. Essentially everyone does it. You can even sometimes see when a list of videos on YT first loads and a given video has one title, and it suddenly switches to another without you reloading the page.

Have you noticed that has become more common recently? Because I have. It seems over the past 3/4 months, reload and see a new title happens pretty much daily to me (it also seems to work because sometimes it causes me to click the video I didn't click with the old title).

It was announced in December and took a while to catch.

https://support.google.com/youtube/thread/393332200/you-can-...

Re: LG says we're fake news [video]

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Post by phil21 »

sethops1 wrote: post #58
dubyah wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As others have said, cut off access and/or factory reset it. My LG has never been granted net access, firmware upgrades through USB drives, and streaming through Onn 4K box(w/ a 3rd party launcher) and Apple TV. No surprise ads, apps, or anything.

What do you get from upgrading the firmware? I have a 10 yo smart tv that I simply treated as a dumb tv. Works fine.

Mostly bug fixes relevant to higher end home theatre setups. Typically bleeding edge stuff where a TV is released before a new HDMI spec is fully baked or whatnot. One of my older OLED panels needed a number of updates to get proper Dolby Vision profile support a few years back.

Typically not all that relevant most of the time to the average consumer, but if you’re having a persistent annoyance it’s worth looking through release notes from time to time.

This ignores that the vast majority of consumers actually use the smart tv features like the Netflix app. Then updates start to become far more relevant and eventually mandatory.

Re: LG says we're fake news [video]

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Post by N_Lens »

Terr_ wrote: post #44
cute_boi wrote: post #31

We should start whitelisting the domains that is allowed from router. Otherwise, these smart shitty ads companies will never take responsibility.

I just had a crazy idea: Are there any ways we (consumers) could leverage the (bad) DMCA "anti-circumvention" laws? Ex: 1. The noise happening in my house is copyrighted. 2. I protected my copyright by blocking the TV from transmitting it to known manufacturer domains. 3. By switching to obfuscated domains or alternate transmission paths, the manufacturer started circumventing my copyright controls. ... I suppose the…

No.

Now bend over, citizen

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Post by wavewrangler »

simmonmt wrote: post #59
dgellow wrote: post #9

This „we own the glass“ idea is completely insane. How does an industry degenerate to the point where they consider acceptable to base their business model on owning part of the product they sell you?

It's not entirely the fault of the industry. Consumer preferences are part of this equation too. https://www.streamtvinsider.com/advertising/roku-vizio-lean-... If consumers are unwilling to shell out for a TV priced high enough that the manufacturer doesn't need to do things like this to earn a (decent) profit, then what we've got is what you get. You could certainly argue that the industry should've held the line,…

What do you mean? I don’t recall ever asking manufacturers if I could trade my privacy for a discount. I don’t remember that at all…people will pay whatever the price is, if inflation hasn’t taught that to you, then I’m not sure what to tell you. The other thing inflation showed us, is that manufacturers will absolutely put a price on what they feel is “decent profit.” Cmon dude. Do you not remember how much we paid for eggs?! Which, i think it was found later to be that the manufacturers “manufactured,” “scam-bled eggs.”

You know, I’ve been thinking, I don’t think im being paid enough! Im giving myself a raise. We can do that, right?!

Re: LG says we're fake news [video]

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Post by kmfrk »

hadlock wrote: post #15

I deeply regret buying my LG. Originally the plan was to never connect it to wifi, and use an external device (chromecast, apple tv, or whatever) but my wife was too excited to try out whatever features. Unfortunately we can't sell the TV for anywhere what we paid for it new (to replace it with a different brand) so we're stuck with it for another ~7-10 years, or whatever the standard TV replacement interval is these…

Sony TVs are handled by TCL now, so time will tell how Sony-branded models act (up) in the future.

https://www.tomsguide.com/tvs/sony-just-handed-its-tv-busine...

Re: LG says we're fake news [video]

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Post by reaperducer »

jeffbee wrote: post #23
hadlock wrote: post #15

I deeply regret buying my LG. Originally the plan was to never connect it to wifi, and use an external device (chromecast, apple tv, or whatever) but my wife was too excited to try out whatever features. Unfortunately we can't sell the TV for anywhere what we paid for it new (to replace it with a different brand) so we're stuck with it for another ~7-10 years, or whatever the standard TV replacement interval is these…

It feels like there must be multiple completely different implementations of LG OLED TVs. I would not say that my LG has a "main screen" of any kind. When I turn mine on it shows the last input that had been used or, if that thing is off, it shows the bouncy egg and "No Signal". If I press the button on the remote that says RECENTS and has a picture of a house on it, which I guess is the "main screen", it maintains t…

Hulu, Prime, Peacock, YouTube, Netflix, Apple TV, and Disney+ happen to be today's recents.

Where do you find the time to post on HN?

Re: LG says we're fake news [video]

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Post by cwillu »

gustavus wrote: post #57
marginalia_nu wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Big pivotal moment is probably the DMCA and the DRM it's enabled, it's really eroded the concept of ownership in both software and hardware (via firmware), to the point where we've completely lost all control over the devices we buy. These days devices do what we ask when it benefits their real owners, and refuse to do what we ask of them when it doesn't. It wasn't an overnight thing, but the temperature in the pot h…

I brought this up all the time I argued with co-workers I advocated for Open Source because I knew where this was headed and every time it played out the exact way this comic did. Now I just post a link to this comic in discussion about these kind of things. https://xkcd.com/743/

I hate that 2010 is 16 years ago

Re: LG says we're fake news [video]

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Post by malikNF »

fwip wrote: post #43
forestry wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What’s stopping you from disconnecting it from wifi mow?

This is also my question, but I suppose the answer could be that we don't trust LG to actually forget the wifi password (and not use it surreptitiously later). You could also change the wifi info, but that might mean changing a whole lot of devices (including wife's and kids).

So change the wifi password.
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