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Re: Flock worker calls police on reporter filming public camera installation

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Post by emsign »

hermannj314 wrote: post #50

If someone came up to me and started filming me while I was in public, and then when I got in my car they followed me, I would also call the police. The double standard demonstrated by Flock isn't the issue, they are the pieces of shit and of course they have no moral consistency. But "He who fights with monsters should be careful, lest he thereby become a monster." I thought we were united that people have a reasona…

But you're not working for Flock, are you? We could go on much further until we reach the what Popper called the Tolerance Paradox: "If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them."

The point is that total surveillance is like the destruction of tolerance or in thie case privacy, and it makes watching the watchmen impossible. There's a point of no return and before that one is reached resistance IS allowed or else you lose everything.

Re: Flock worker calls police on reporter filming public camera installation

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Post by whimsicalism »

kstrauser wrote: post #130
driggs wrote: post #90

I love a good taste-of-their-own-medicine story like anyone else, but the headline is false. It seems that this is about a YouTuber stalking a Flock employee's vehicle through traffic for 10-15 minutes, which is why the police were called.

That’s literally exactly what Flock does. I can’t find sympathy for the company on this.

Maybe I’m a radical but I am okay with the government having capabilities that are different from what a youtuber is allowed to do.

Re: Flock worker calls police on reporter filming public camera installation

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Post by gruez »

saghm wrote: post #118
gruez wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The response is stronger because your hairdressers and baristas aren't actively providing a service for surveillance as part of their work. Should other law enforcement contractors also be subject to the same higher standard? For instance, should dell get extra flak if one of their contractors called 911, because they were installing PCs for a police department? If not, this just seems like a way of applying a doubl…

If they called 911 because they were worried about privacy when publically installing a privacy-violating tool, then yes, they 100% should be. Having higher standards for higher impact things isn't somehow hypocritical.

>If they called 911 because they were worried about privacy when publically installing a privacy-violating tool, then yes, they 100% should be.

Seems like the installer was calling because he thought he was being harassed?

>As Keefe began to shoot video, the installer saw him and immediately packed up his equipment and drove away, so Keefe also returned to his car and followed several cars behind, hoping to document the next stop.

>...

>“I work with Flock Safety. And I called originally because I’m getting followed,” the installer can be heard telling a dispatcher after being transferred. “I was getting harassed, pretty much. Taking videos and pictures. And now, the same vehicle that pulled over where I was working at has been following me.”

Sure, you can try to equate "flock setting up a surveillance network" to "physically following flock employees", but what's the implication here? That anyone working for flock should be fair game as a stalking target? What about someone working for NSA? Should it be fine to look through their emails?

Re: Flock worker calls police on reporter filming public camera installation

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Post by nbvgjhk »

delichon wrote: post #70

If someone were following around and filming someone who was posting anti-Flock fliers, I would also feel that crosses into harassment after a certain amount of time. A TV news crew filmed me when I was a freshman setting up my old travel trailer in a new university trailer park. I hated it, but it didn't last long. If they had continued following and filming indefinitely despite my protests, I would have wanted some…

flock's business model is recording people. they do not get to complain about being recorded.

Re: Flock worker calls police on reporter filming public camera installation

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Post by Avicebron »

dudefeliciano wrote: post #136
gleezard wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait til you find out what money does to people.

And this is the ideology that got us to where we are now. There is no problem with making money but bending politics/society to your will, and even voting for destructive parties, only for the good of personal interest is abhorrent, antisocial behavior. One would think that these "geniuses" would understand that living in a society where lower class people do not live with constant existential threats would be a posi…

I don't particularly agree with Ezra Klein or Francis Fukuyama, often vehemently disagree. But on the latest episode of Klein's NYT show it was interesting to hear Francis mention this coupling of wealth and political power being one of the core problems the US is grappling with.

Separate the nouveau robber barons from political power like we did the clergy?

Re: Flock worker calls police on reporter filming public camera installation

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Post by kotaKat »

hk1337 wrote: post #79
tptacek wrote: post #21

Random people calling 911 on other people filming them is a staple of Youtube; banks, coffee store workers, hairdressers, most especially restaurant managers. I don't know why anyone would expect technicians from Flock to be different. It's worse for the technician in this case, because he really was being followed --- that's not unlawful but it's unnerving. You'd think from the response that this was like the VP/Sal…

> technicians from Flock Do they even have their own technicians? I believe there have been Dish Network technicians seen working on and setting up flock cameras and even those technicians are contractors of Dish network.

Mix of. Large metros they'll use their own staff to install, rural Americana they'll use Dish's OnTech division. Dish realized they have an entire 'trained' workforce of cable/dish techs that they can put to other technical use, so they pushed into more managed hands tech services.

https://www.ontechsmartservices.com/

I noticed a more prominently branded "OnTech" van roaming around my rural slice of life that had a smaller Dish brand logo on it that seemed to be more of that side of the business.

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