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Re: Data collected by cars and sold to third parties

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Post by thfuran »

cucumber3732842 wrote: post #21
tomrod wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Much like owning a home without an HOA attached, it is becoming harder and harder to meet this requirement. It also seems to conflict with `right-to-repair` laws if the capability is legally required.

>Much like owning a home without an HOA attached, it is becoming harder and harder to meet this requirement. The near universal proliferation of owner's associations and management groups and whatnot for developments larger than ~1ac (the EPA threshold, some states/towns have lower) is something you can lay at the feet of the Clean Water Act and it's implementation and precedents over the following decades. The exact…

There’s no reason that sort of compliance needs an HOA. Most places already have building codes enforced by mandatory government inspections for major renovations.

Re: Data collected by cars and sold to third parties

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Post by thfuran »

amelius wrote: post #15
cc62cf4a4f20 wrote: post #4

That‘ll happen when you don‘t have meaningful data protection laws.

My question is why, with their protection laws, Smart TVs and Smart Cars are still sold in the EU?

Do they do the same spying on the models/units produced for sale in EU? It’s not actually a necessary part of the operation of the device, so it makes sense they’d be able to sell them without it.

Re: Data collected by cars and sold to third parties

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Post by bitparadox »

I posted a flavor of this comment on an article a few months ago, but it's relevant here:

I have a seven year old Volkswagen, not financed. I'm security conscious and made sure to disable all the data collection I could find in the companion app before removing my account, turn off remote access services, dig through the infotainment to turn off what I could, etc.

Last year I requested a Carfax on it, and one of the fields in the request was current mileage. I entered an estimate like 75000 miles. On form submission, that field failed validation with red subtext along the lines of 'this is less than the last reported mileage of 75345, reported '. Checking my odometer and looking at my past few days' trips, that was indeed accurate.

The car hadn't been to a shop or out of my possession in weeks, so I can only assume the telemetry was still dialing home and selling to third parties despite my best efforts to disable it.

Re: Data collected by cars and sold to third parties

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Post by dylan604 »

willis936 wrote: post #11
tomrod wrote: post #6

How can this be stopped, from a technical perspective? Can I wrap the comms in a Faraday cage? Obviously it would be better to have this action be illegal. But with legal privacy protections eroding in the US and other countries, it seems prudent to have a better understanding of the systems involved in the immoral surveillance.

I've had good luck with pulling service manuals, finding the telematics antenna connectors, and unplugging them. It's popular to pull the telematics module fuse, but that typically disables internal microphones and GPS that are used by android auto and carplay. This severely degrades features spouses expect to just work. The antenna pulling is a much lighter touch.

I wonder if this increases or reduces the value of the car???

Re: Data collected by cars and sold to third parties

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Post by kaladin-jasnah »

In my GM car I have the wonderful opportunity to pull the OnStar fuse and disable all cellular connectivity. However, I am concerned the telematics information are stored in long term storage and if I have to reconnect the fuse, all my driving will be batch uploaded. I hope not!! And the GPS still works. Maybe I can find some dummy loads as well or the antennae.

It's still better than other modern cars though? I think.

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Post by skrause »

natch wrote: post #20
tomrod wrote: post #6

How can this be stopped, from a technical perspective? Can I wrap the comms in a Faraday cage? Obviously it would be better to have this action be illegal. But with legal privacy protections eroding in the US and other countries, it seems prudent to have a better understanding of the systems involved in the immoral surveillance.

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I want a car that doesn't collect the data, not one that gives a pinky promise not to sell still collected data.

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Post by bix6 »

natch wrote: post #20
tomrod wrote: post #6

How can this be stopped, from a technical perspective? Can I wrap the comms in a Faraday cage? Obviously it would be better to have this action be illegal. But with legal privacy protections eroding in the US and other countries, it seems prudent to have a better understanding of the systems involved in the immoral surveillance.

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Which brand? And what's to stop them from changing your opt in toggle on after an update as we've seen countless companies do time and time again?

Re: Data collected by cars and sold to third parties

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Post by mnmalst »

natch wrote: post #20
tomrod wrote: post #6

How can this be stopped, from a technical perspective? Can I wrap the comms in a Faraday cage? Obviously it would be better to have this action be illegal. But with legal privacy protections eroding in the US and other countries, it seems prudent to have a better understanding of the systems involved in the immoral surveillance.

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Which brand is that if you don't mind me asking?
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