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Waymo pulls over, calls cops on juvenile riders who had 'ghost gun"

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Re: Waymo pulls over, calls cops on juvenile riders who had 'ghost gun"

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Post by DaSHacka »

dylan604 wrote: post #47
anon84873628 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would you do any of those things in a regular taxi or subway car? Imagine the alternative headline saying the murderers used Waymo for their drive-by assassination. There is only one option for Waymo here, and the idiocy of the US police is not within their power to solve.

That could be a funny-or-die kind of script. They find a Waymo car that is feeling outcast and looking for friendship so it joins a gang. The Waymo car is constantly looking out for rival gang members while on the job, then swings by to pick up its fellow gang members for the hit, but then must obey all of the traffic laws during the get away.

You've almost perfectly described Delamain and his side missions from Cyberpunk 2077

Re: Waymo pulls over, calls cops on juvenile riders who had 'ghost gun"

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Post by mixmastamyk »

UltraSane wrote: post #218
mixmastamyk wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They snap me crossing the street almost daily, nothing I can do about since sometimes they take me by surprise.

What?

I meant catch me crossing and take photos, scans, etc.

Re: Waymo pulls over, calls cops on juvenile riders who had 'ghost gun"

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Post by Lifetrajectory »

sellmesoap wrote: post #98
dylan604 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That could be a funny-or-die kind of script. They find a Waymo car that is feeling outcast and looking for friendship so it joins a gang. The Waymo car is constantly looking out for rival gang members while on the job, then swings by to pick up its fellow gang members for the hit, but then must obey all of the traffic laws during the get away.

Or worse the waymo gets put in to 'gang mode' by someone bribed on the inside, the car rolls the window down for the drive by, delivers the duffle bags of drugs, auto darkens the windows for a drive by kidnapping, think of the UX possibilities!

Even in the analog world, every situation can be exploited for criminal purposes. The Waymo initiative initially reduces the potential for harm. Is everything else just speculation?

Re: Waymo pulls over, calls cops on juvenile riders who had 'ghost gun"

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Post by PeterStuer »

kelnos wrote: post #3

I'm really torn on this. This particular situation, at face value at least, sounds like a good outcome. Kids had a gun, someone noticed, called police, situation handled without escalation or violence or something tragic happening. But this doesn't generalize. Another incident described in the article was when some kids were drinking in the car and shooting toy guns. What if they hadn't been drinking? What if they we…

The remote driver/observer has full access to the cabin footage no?

Re: Waymo pulls over, calls cops on juvenile riders who had 'ghost gun"

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Post by pocksuppet »

nbaugh1 wrote: post #97
Gimpei wrote: post #20

I dunno. This doesn’t bother me in the same way that flock cameras do. A Waymo car is a private space that you don’t have to use if you don’t want to. Seems pretty reasonable to me that Waymo doesn’t want their cars used for drive by shootings. If a drive by were to happen in a Waymo, this would be compelled by law anyway.

Yeah I don’t get it. You’re getting into a privately owned vehicle. You agree to the terms of service when you sign up and ask for a ride. You should assume you have zero privacy in those cars.

Do you defend LG telescreens too? After all, by using the TV, you agreed to LG watching your every move.

Re: Waymo pulls over, calls cops on juvenile riders who had 'ghost gun"

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Post by pocksuppet »

MostlyStable wrote: post #5
kelnos wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a big difference between a human present who can make a decision based on a situation literally in front of their eyes, and a computer flagging a video feed for someone in what amounts to a call center to look at and decide on. Not to mention the mass surveillance this sort of stuff continues to help enable.

I'm pretty wary of mass public surveillance. I'm much less concerned about companies monitoring the inside of their private property

When they are one in the same, how do you plead?

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Post by anon84873628 »

f33d5173 wrote: post #216
anon84873628 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would you do any of those things in a regular taxi or subway car? Imagine the alternative headline saying the murderers used Waymo for their drive-by assassination. There is only one option for Waymo here, and the idiocy of the US police is not within their power to solve.

So murderers put their guns in a bag and get away with it, normal people who have "nothing to hide" leave their guns out in the open and get the police called on them.

Just like would happen with open carrying anywhere?

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Post by OroPla »

LorenPechtel wrote: post #169
analog31 wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know, it's a different world. I'm 62. As a kid, my friends and I chased one another around the neighborhood with toy guns for hours, raising a racket. My kids are 24 and 26 now, but it would have been unthinkable to let them have toy guns.

Clearly toy guns. Gun-like, but nobody with the slightest understanding of guns would think they were real. I have no problem with kids having toy guns. I do have a problem with kids in public having realistic replica guns. Bright orange isn't enough. I think the answer is that other than in organized events realistic replicas should be subject to the same restrictions on actions that real guns are.

Toy guns back then: https://i.imgur.com/2DQnhNC.jpeg

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Post by m4rtink »

Arainach wrote: post #219
m4rtink wrote: post #211

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Panopticon to the rescue - seriously ??? People just dont vadalize stuff - there are reasons for that that need to be fixed, not adding even more spying.

Among the reasons are that kids (and some adults) are idiots. That's it, it's not income inequality or rage at the system, some people just break things because they think it's funny. That's not something you can fix, so you have to guard against it in other ways.

Is't that just bad education or parenting in the end ? I don t think many people with good parents & education would be essentially insane to break thinks just for fun.

In general, I think you kinda need to fix people rather than make the environment basically so hostile to everyone, to prevent a small group of people from breaking it. Not saying its easy, but in my the only correct way.

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Post by dylan604 »

DaSHacka wrote: post #221
dylan604 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That could be a funny-or-die kind of script. They find a Waymo car that is feeling outcast and looking for friendship so it joins a gang. The Waymo car is constantly looking out for rival gang members while on the job, then swings by to pick up its fellow gang members for the hit, but then must obey all of the traffic laws during the get away.

You've almost perfectly described Delamain and his side missions from Cyberpunk 2077

YA example of there is no original idea left. However, I'm not a gamer and had no idea what Cyberpunk 2077 is/was without having to look it up. So at least I'm not guilty of absorbing all content on the planet and regurgitating it as if it were an original idea while charging you $20/month.
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