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drdaeman wrote: post #97
oh_my_goodness wrote: post #14

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If you don't have laws, or don't enforce them, people will do whatever they want. I can remember when this simple point was obvious to almost everyone.

We didn’t have laws but every TV at the dawn of the era came with full schematics and documentation. That said, I’m not arguing that we don’t need laws today - we do, or at least I have no other idea how to do a course correction from where we are. Preferably wide-range ones that alter the whole consumer-producer relationships. But the key thing is not the laws, it’s the attitude (individual and corporate) towards ot…

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fwip wrote: post #43
forestry wrote: post #18

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What’s stopping you from disconnecting it from wifi mow?

This is also my question, but I suppose the answer could be that we don't trust LG to actually forget the wifi password (and not use it surreptitiously later). You could also change the wifi info, but that might mean changing a whole lot of devices (including wife's and kids).

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prmoustache wrote: post #119
fwip wrote: post #80

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I did bring that up in the second sentence of my two-sentence comment.

The fact you don't do it means you actually don't care at all about your privacy. It takes 5 minutes to bring every member in an household in the living room or kitchen and assist them to change the wifi password on their device. You can even prepare for it by printing the details + qrcode beforehand. Connecting to a wifi network is one of those things every terminally connected non tech savy people are able to do th…

Okay, you may want to reread the thread, I'm not OP. I'm not the "you" you think I am.

Also, some people have a lot of wifi connected devices, including stuff like light bulbs. (Again, not me.)

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sumedh wrote: post #113
ButlerianJihad wrote: post #105

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I like how you've piecemeal blocked the same subdomain 4 times. Will you do the same for the other 4-component subdomains? In fact, I'm curious what it means to "block a domain at a router". Really? Did you give Claude the credentials to your managed switch so it could set up a mirror port? Did Claude enable promiscuous mode on your Ethernet interface? Did Claude get a master-mode WiFi AP to intercept all the frames,…

I gave claude ssh access to my router, the router has a block list where you can block domains. It monitored the network traffic from the router.

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Re: LG says we're fake news [video]

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Post by danaris »

simmonmt wrote: post #59
dgellow wrote: post #9

This „we own the glass“ idea is completely insane. How does an industry degenerate to the point where they consider acceptable to base their business model on owning part of the product they sell you?

It's not entirely the fault of the industry. Consumer preferences are part of this equation too. https://www.streamtvinsider.com/advertising/roku-vizio-lean-... If consumers are unwilling to shell out for a TV priced high enough that the manufacturer doesn't need to do things like this to earn a (decent) profit, then what we've got is what you get. You could certainly argue that the industry should've held the line,…

Ah, you have fallen for the bullshit that is "revealed preferences theory", a dependent of "free market theory".

The reason it's bullshit is that we don't have a free market. There are constraints and asymmetric information and inelastic demand and all kinds of other forces at play that completely negate any supposed wisdom you might hope to find in free market theory.

And if the market is not free—if consumers do not have a fully open choice, where every possible feature and option (including things like "lower price in exchange for constant surveillance") is individually selectable, or they don't have enough access to different options, or they don't have enough time and brainpower to exhaustively research every option—then what consumers buy in aggregate is not reflective of what they choose.

It's reflective of what the manufacturers choose to push.

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Post by petre »

sumedh wrote: post #113
ButlerianJihad wrote: post #105

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I like how you've piecemeal blocked the same subdomain 4 times. Will you do the same for the other 4-component subdomains? In fact, I'm curious what it means to "block a domain at a router". Really? Did you give Claude the credentials to your managed switch so it could set up a mirror port? Did Claude enable promiscuous mode on your Ethernet interface? Did Claude get a master-mode WiFi AP to intercept all the frames,…

I gave claude ssh access to my router, the router has a block list where you can block domains. It monitored the network traffic from the router.

> I gave claude ssh access to my router

Jesus.

Re: LG says we're fake news [video]

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prmoustache wrote: post #134
jeeva wrote: post #130

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I think the GP more meant the practice that some ISPs have of shipping default routers that may or may not be able to be replaced with a separate SSID that is publicly available for use by other customers of that ISP. Not "my network has a default or empty password, I can't make people sign in again."

Is that really a thing? My ISP gives me a router that takes an SSID/password by default (that it gets back to if I reset to defaults) but I can change it any time as well as other parameters (like channels, wether WPS is activated, etc).

Buy a crap router (or find one in the trash), dont connect it to anything, set open wifi, tv connects to the black hole, sorta poor mans pi-hole

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utopiah wrote: post #124
masklinn wrote: post #117

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> I think you do actually want those. No, I rather know I do not. > It's quite amazing to receive a notification from your dryer that it finished its cycle. It’s really quite useless to me. What I may want is an ODB so I can plug in whatever external observation and possibly control plane I wish, were I so inclined (I am not), and could make my device smart. Hell for a dryer you could probably have a plug or panel fe…

Well that's the point, you do want information in and out, including the ability to send instructions. Call it "smart" or "connected" or whatever marketing words you prefer, the point is having affordances that give you agency. So yes I insist you do want those, just not in the way it's been currently forced. IMHO you are right to reject this as it is but wrong to reject the possibilities when done right. We are just…

I have a speech recognition standing fan with touch button. Its terrible. The voice is loud, the touch controls dont register very well, give me a dumb thing with physical buttons please!

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Post by tavavex »

utopiah wrote: post #124
masklinn wrote: post #117

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> I think you do actually want those. No, I rather know I do not. > It's quite amazing to receive a notification from your dryer that it finished its cycle. It’s really quite useless to me. What I may want is an ODB so I can plug in whatever external observation and possibly control plane I wish, were I so inclined (I am not), and could make my device smart. Hell for a dryer you could probably have a plug or panel fe…

Well that's the point, you do want information in and out, including the ability to send instructions. Call it "smart" or "connected" or whatever marketing words you prefer, the point is having affordances that give you agency. So yes I insist you do want those, just not in the way it's been currently forced. IMHO you are right to reject this as it is but wrong to reject the possibilities when done right. We are just…

I think I agree with the parent more. For one, not all "smart" appliances are made equal. You can see the appeal of some of them if there was no customer abuse, like with smart TVs. But things like smart microwaves are a harder sell. In practice, lots of smart devices are made with one purpose - to remove methods of configuring it on-device and instead forcing you into using the manufacturer's app. Many of them offer no benefits over their non-smart equivalents, and whatever benefits are there are usually solutions in search of a problem.

And I think their point is that, even with strong legislation, giving every device unlimited internet connectivity is a siren song for the corporations which will always be incentivized to shoehorn their interests into the product you own. Things like control through external connectors, on-device modifiable configurations, only local connectivity or flashable firmware would not qualify as 'smart' but would go a long way to do the things you're looking for without giving them the physical possibility of future abuse.

Re: LG says we're fake news [video]

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Post by sumedh »

vrganj wrote: post #133
ranguna wrote: post #129

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"Giving the keys" doesn't necessarily mean outright cat the private key to Claude. You setup the key, configure SSH config to use it and you can just SSH to the machine without ever seeing the keys. Stop fear mongering unnecessarily.

I wasn't talking about the literal key files, I was talking about the metaphorical keys to the kingdom. No matter how you set it up, you're giving a cloud service the ability to SSH into your private network. Surely you must see the glaring security risk this creates?

That is a fair point I should have done with a local LLM instead of Claude.

But not exactly sure what the main issue, how can claude even access the router from the internet. Its not accessible.

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