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Re: Nvidia is the central bank of AI

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Maybe a dumb question but how is NVIDIA increasing the total supply of money? Only the fed can actually order more money to be "created". Private companies can only work within the existing supply, that is, their reserves, no?

> Only the fed can actually order more money to be "created" No. Most money in modern economies is created by private parties [1]. [1] https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/-/media/boe/files/quarterly-...

Private Banks.

They are regulated as bank under fed.

Re: Nvidia is the central bank of AI

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"Create money" here doesn't mean literally fluffing the balance sheet like when the fed prints money (which would have accounting differences), it means spending the same money more rapidly than otherwise. This is NVidia's personal contribution to increasing the economy's Money Multiplier [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_multiplier ], which effectively increases the money supply from the broader economy's perspe…

You're conflating the money multiplier and velocity. They aren't the same thing. The multiplier is about banks turning reserves into deposits via lending while "spending the same money more rapidly" is velocity. This doesn't apply to Nvidia extending trade credit and this description of bank money creation isn't even the accepted version today anyway. Regarding velocity: a receivable on Nvidia's books isn't in M1 or…

> doesn't apply to Nvidia extending trade credit

Of course it does. It's M4. Which turns into M3 through the money markets. Which creates M1 through banks.

Nvidia extending commitments creates M1 via a similar mechanism to the Fed buying Treasuries, thereby increasing deposits at the Federal Reserve (MB) which in turn prompts banks to increase M1.

> and this description of bank money creation isn't even the accepted version today anyway

What description? Most money in modern economics is created by banks. But nothing requires that to be the main mode. We're nowhere close to it, but a high-tariff economy would be expected to rely more on producers than consumers and thus their credit versus consumer deposits.

> If the OP's production company can't actually deliver $100 million of goods, someone has to write it down and no amount of velocity makes the company solvent

The $500 billion isn't net-sixty trade credit, it's long-term commitments for capital expenditure by third parties.

> Trying to make this a monetary argument when it's not actually weakens the circularity argument

No? They're separate issues.

Credit creates money. That's real and separate from to whom one is extending credit, in Nvidia's case, to its customers so they can buy more from Nvidia.

Re: Nvidia is the central bank of AI

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> Only the fed can actually order more money to be "created" No. Most money in modern economies is created by private parties [1]. [1] https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/-/media/boe/files/quarterly-...

Private Banks. They are regulated as bank under fed.

> Private Banks

Currently. But nothing requires is. Banks can uniquely create M1. Nvidia is creating M4, which turns into M2 through the money markets, which turns into M1 at banks. It's more convoluted and limited than the Fed creating monetary base to increase M1. But the net effect is similar–more M1.

Re: Nvidia is the central bank of AI

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Because vendor financing in tech to keep a bubble going never ended badly. Sadly it seems like some haven’t watched the end of the last movie on this subject.

It’s Different This Time(tm)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramid_schemes_in_Albania

Re: Nvidia is the central bank of AI

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All debt is money. Anybody can create money, the trick is getting other people to accept it. Nvidia is vendor financing its output. An ai company order $100m of GPUs. Nvidia delivers and holds onto that debt as an asset - like a bank loan. The production company uses AI to create better plant and purchases $100m of AI tokens to do so. The ai company hold that debt like a bank loan Nvidia requests $100m of production…

In principle you need a banking license in order to create money, so not "anybody" can create money. For example, I can't, and neither can you (unless you're a bank, which I suspect you're not_.

If you work for me and I owe you, that’s money.

You can sell that debt on to somebody else in exchange for goods and services.

That’s all money is - a circulating debt.

Re: Nvidia is the central bank of AI

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They don’t constrain the quantity of lending. They only change the price. Liability side controls don’t work.

> They don’t constrain the quantity of lending. They only change the price Which country's capital and liquidity requirements are you thinking of? Because Basel III dictates ratios. These are hard limits on lending.

Loans create deposits, deposits are used to buy bank capital issued by banks.

There’s no hard limits. They are ratios which are preprepared because a bank knows how big its sales pipeline is and that takes time to complete.

Nothing is limited in quantity. Even the silly SLR they have in the US is a pricing limit, not a quantity - as we see every time somebody moans about how much the deficit has gone up.

Re: Nvidia is the central bank of AI

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But for the duration, there is more money. This isn’t some crank theory, it’s orthodox economics: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fractional-reserve_banking

Yeah, we all know what fractional reserve banking is. But a debt exists at the same time and the idea is the money that was lent builds something, creating value. Let me borrow some gold so I can use my herbalism expertise to make some potions and sell them for a price that is greater than the sum of ingredients. That's how value is created. Saying loaning money inflates money de facto is disingenuous. Wealth is bein…

You seem to be saying that money is created and that's okay. You agree with GP.

Re: Nvidia is the central bank of AI

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Wasn’t trying to dick measure nvda vs fed. More thinking thru guarantees vs assets for the two institutions

> guarantees vs assets for the two institutions The Fed can never default on any dollar-denominated debt. There is no similar currency that Nvidia can create ad infinitum . That said, the number I think you're looking for in respect of the Fed is $30 to 40 trillion. It's about U.S. GDP. And it's also about U.S. bank and money-market assets plus the Fed's balance sheet. If every American bank failed, this could be the…

The Fed doesn't issue debt. It has nothing to default on.

Re: Nvidia is the central bank of AI

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All on the back of TSMC

Is anyone even trying to compete with TSMC? What is the barrier to entry?

You either poach a lot of TSMC employees or you work your way up from garage lithography with no profit at any intermediate step.

Re: Nvidia is the central bank of AI

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> worth around $5.4trn Note that the Fed has a $6.7tn balance sheet [1]. (This is a silly comparison. But still fun.) The real comparison: Nvidia's $500+ billion of investments and commitments [2] is substantially more than any easing the Fed has done in the same time [3]. Monetarily, Nvidia is creating a lot of money in our economy. The good news: I have seen no evidence Nvidia has borrowed against its stock or othe…

> Its stock could crash without causing–as long as its cash flows continue–a credit crisis through its investments and commitments.

Oh hell no. NVIDIA is present in a ton of 401k and similar retirement/savings/gambling vehicles. It holds 12% of NASDAQ tracking funds and 8% of S&P 500 trackers. NVIDIA goes down, a lot of people will panic sell and crash the economy.

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