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Re: GrapheneOS' rewritten Messages app is released

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Post by Magicrafter13 »

fc417fc802 wrote: post #243
grapheneos wrote: post #211

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> might want the option of using a build of grapheneos An OS without the core features and updates of GrapheneOS clearly isn't GrapheneOS. It's not permitted to refer to it as such. > That's kind of the whole point of FOSS, right? No, the point of FOSS is that you can take all of our code and use it for other purposes. Calling an incomplete port to another device GrapheneOS is misleading users. It isn't GrapheneOS an…

No one was suggesting that your trademark should be infringed when marketing to users. If I do my own custom build of firefox referring to it as such in casual conversation is entirely separate from marketing it under that name for others to use (see ex icecat). Honestly while grapheneos is a useful thing that I'm glad exists you're being absolutely insufferable.

an objective statement of fact should not be considered "absolutely insufferable"

Re: GrapheneOS' rewritten Messages app is released

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Post by Walf »

kwarcode wrote: post #162
Walf wrote: post #97

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>not knowing what it even looks like Clearly. >There's only a handful of critical details in a call history And they're all there: profile pic, contact name, indicators that show incoming/outgoing + missed/connected, which SIM, a redial button, how long ago (which after about a week shows the date), Tapping the middle expands the row (no obstructive pop-up) to show Block, Message, & Details buttons. The reason it has…

> The reason it has 'human times' is because multiple calls with the same contact are grouped, so a precise time doesn't always make sense. But a precise time does always make sense. And even if "doesn't always make sense" was true, it doesn't on its own justify a different default. So what does grouping have to do with it?

Multiple calls can't all have the same time and duration.

Re: GrapheneOS' rewritten Messages app is released

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Post by Walf »

j1elo wrote: post #222
Walf wrote: post #97

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>not knowing what it even looks like Clearly. >There's only a handful of critical details in a call history And they're all there: profile pic, contact name, indicators that show incoming/outgoing + missed/connected, which SIM, a redial button, how long ago (which after about a week shows the date), Tapping the middle expands the row (no obstructive pop-up) to show Block, Message, & Details buttons. The reason it has…

Thanks. There's no better way to check how it is than having it on hand. I'd argue against relative dates because that's an opinionated design that requires cognitive overhead on the user. A young person might be able to mentally translate, but older ones tend to have it more difficult. Usually, opting for relative dates tells us about the designer's lack of experience with different groups of users than the normativ…

It wouldn't be a bad option to have. The calls app has only two display settings.

Re: GrapheneOS' rewritten Messages app is released

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Post by scheeseman486 »

schubidubiduba wrote: post #241
bramhaag wrote: post #47

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> Fairphone has said they don't plan to add a secure element. It can be seen from their current devices that they don't fully keep up with privacy/security backports and lag a year behind on shipping yearly OS releases. They skip over the monthly and quarterly releases entirely. They replaced their own non-GMS Fairphone OS with a dramatically less secure /e/OS option in partnership with Murena. They clearly demonstra…

It should be noted that GrapheneOS had similar criticisms about almost every smartphone vendor, including Motorola before their upcoming cooperation IIRC. Most of their criticisms are valid, but they seem to be absolutely unwilling to make any compromise at all. Not sure if they want to protect their brand, if any of those criticised issues would increase the work needed by them significantly, or why they are like th…

> Most of their criticisms are valid, but they seem to be absolutely unwilling to make any compromise at all.

Making no compromise to security is the entire point of it's existence.

Re: GrapheneOS' rewritten Messages app is released

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Post by kwarcode »

Walf wrote: post #252
kwarcode wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The reason it has 'human times' is because multiple calls with the same contact are grouped, so a precise time doesn't always make sense. But a precise time does always make sense. And even if "doesn't always make sense" was true, it doesn't on its own justify a different default. So what does grouping have to do with it?

Multiple calls can't all have the same time and duration.

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Re: GrapheneOS' rewritten Messages app is released

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Post by fc417fc802 »

Magicrafter13 wrote: post #251
fc417fc802 wrote: post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one was suggesting that your trademark should be infringed when marketing to users. If I do my own custom build of firefox referring to it as such in casual conversation is entirely separate from marketing it under that name for others to use (see ex icecat). Honestly while grapheneos is a useful thing that I'm glad exists you're being absolutely insufferable.

an objective statement of fact should not be considered "absolutely insufferable"

As always, context is all important.

Re: GrapheneOS' rewritten Messages app is released

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Post by [deleted] »

duskdozer wrote: post #239
sebastiennight wrote: post #220

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I'll give you the strategy that works for me. Do NOT talk about privacy, E2EE, or any of that. To regular people, "privacy" has negative value, so even if they wanted something, your talk of private communication and not being scanned by data brokers and governments will make them want it less . So what to do then? I present Signal as a novelty and focus on one single feature: "hey, video calls work much better than…

Why do you say negative? My impression is that it has zero value to them.

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Re: GrapheneOS' rewritten Messages app is released

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Post by Markoff »

grapheneos wrote: post #186
Markoff wrote: post #184

I just wished there was some IM app supporting ordinary SMS, so I can have extra communicator where I could also receive all notifications from courier, 2FA codes, etc. Such a shame Signal removed it, it was one of the reasons why we ditched it completely with family (other would be unreliable delivery, fixing errors when US dev wakes up, half screen nag prompts about PIN, etc.). So now I must have extra dedicated ap…

We've announced our plan to add RCS with Messaging Layer Security (MLS) for E2EE compatible with Google Messages and iOS. SMS/MMS will only be a fallback once that's implemented.

unless it will work without Google account/Google play services, this will be just another Google messages app clone (why not use directly Google messages then?) or dumb SMS app without IM (if I'm not willing to use play services/Google account) and I have already plenty of those to choose from
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