juste tried it... still no search fonction ? back to QUIK app...
GrapheneOS' rewritten Messages app is released
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Re: GrapheneOS' rewritten Messages app is released
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Why? Because of drivers? Don’t they already have Linux drivers for the fairphone? I wonder if fable or astra could wire everything up.
As a company that often lies, they won’t spend a single penny on this.
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Re: GrapheneOS' rewritten Messages app is released
#233Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think it's obvious that the target audience has a huge overlap...
HN readers aren't a huge demographic.
Poster said huge overlap, not huge audience:)
But I agree with the overlap. I use e/OS partly because I can run it on a Fairphone. I'd love to try Graphene.
Re: GrapheneOS' rewritten Messages app is released
#234Does it do RCS?
We've announced our plan to add RCS with Messaging Layer Security (MLS) for E2EE compatible with Google Messages and iOS. SMS/MMS will only be a fallback once that's implemented.
I don't know enough about how RCS works, but if I have an existing conversation in Google Messages would I be able to migrate it over to when this gets implemented?
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Thank you! Though I still wonder: > Iirc they said something like 2 million in donations in 2025. That's not enough for 14 devs, plus infrastructure, etc. > There's estimated 500k users so if 25% donated 10 dollars a year that's 1.25 million. Unfortunately, 25% would be extraordinary for any project. They should make their financing public (and maybe they do), being a non-profit and also asking people to trust them w…
Yeah it is. Their infrastructure costs are super tiny, the biggest percent of funding goes to pay the dev team, and many are paid a wage comparable to where they live, they dont get inflated US software dev wages or anything. Most of what they earn is public as a result of the donation method, like crypto. And most donors are completely anonymous. GrapheneOS does not accept any funding with strings attached.
> GrapheneOS does not accept any funding with strings attached.
What role do you have the project? Or where is their public commitment to that statement?
Re: GrapheneOS' rewritten Messages app is released
#236Earlier quoted context omitted.
They replaced their own non-GMS Fairphone OS with a dramatically less secure /e/OS it sounds like they are saying that /e/OS is less secure than fairphone's own OS. with all criticism against /e/OS taken into account, i highly doubt that fairphone would have been able to make their own version of android more secure than /e/OS when they are not even interested in working on that.
It starts with simply rolling major releases out earlier than /e/OS. Remember that to get security fixes for vulnerabilities not marked high/critical, you need the QPR/major updates. Those vulnerabilities may not be an immediate RCE, but they might get used in exploit chains after an RCE. Also, Fairphone and /e/OS will have many known RCEs, because they do not roll out embargoed patches like GrapheneOS and to some ex…
as if fairphone ever did that: they don't fully keep up with privacy/security backports and lag a year behind on shipping yearly OS releases
so, again, how is /e/OS being behind on updates any worse than fairphone's own OS?
Re: GrapheneOS' rewritten Messages app is released
#237Earlier quoted context omitted.
The core criticism to the vendor is the missing security element. This is a fair point. However, calling out on e/OS in the same post, seems to me very counter-productive. We need more OS vendors and less infighting. Calling all custom ROMs insecure and claiming to be the only one is IMHO 'drama'. Particular there are contributions of me microG that are helpful if you want to de-Google ones phone. Graphene has a diff…
I think in this context it's fair to call out /e/. In some ways /e/ and GOS are trying to achieve different things (/e/ is not hardened and does not claim to be), but /e/ is severely lacking security wise compared to AOSP. This [0] is, in my opinion, a fair review that mentions many of the issues. That Fairphone is ok with these is telling about their position on privacy and security. [0] https://www.kuketz-blog.de/e…
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#238Earlier quoted context omitted.
Supporting an alternative OS wouldn’t change the fate of Fairphone, imo. Most people don’t care to move away from the stock version of Android that comes with their phone or iOS.
This isn't a hypothetical, Fairphone supports alternative OSes. Heck, you can even buy it with /e/OS in their store: https://www.fairphone.com/the-fairphone-gen-6-plus-e-operati...
Can I flash my own?
Re: GrapheneOS' rewritten Messages app is released
#239Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm really hoping they're doing this to pave the way for an RCS implementation. If it can be done, GOS is in the best position to make it happen, and without RCS, chatting with normies is both extremely inconvenient (large group chats straight up do not work) and categorically insecure. If I could convince all my friends and family to use Signal I would, but they just think I'm on about some weird Edward Snowden shit…
I'll give you the strategy that works for me. Do NOT talk about privacy, E2EE, or any of that. To regular people, "privacy" has negative value, so even if they wanted something, your talk of private communication and not being scanned by data brokers and governments will make them want it less . So what to do then? I present Signal as a novelty and focus on one single feature: "hey, video calls work much better than…
Why do you say negative? My impression is that it has zero value to them.
Re: GrapheneOS' rewritten Messages app is released
#240Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah it is. Their infrastructure costs are super tiny, the biggest percent of funding goes to pay the dev team, and many are paid a wage comparable to where they live, they dont get inflated US software dev wages or anything. Most of what they earn is public as a result of the donation method, like crypto. And most donors are completely anonymous. GrapheneOS does not accept any funding with strings attached.
> GrapheneOS does not accept any funding with strings attached. What role do you have the project? Or where is their public commitment to that statement?
I have no role in the project and that has been stated many times on social media.