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Re: Everyone should slow down AI development except for me

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Post by api »

dorolow wrote: post #17
coderintherye wrote: post #8

I have to wonder if some us are just much more inured to salespeople and thus also to "AI Safety" propaganda. I've yet to have a logical discussion with anyone who thinks the "AI Safety" people should be in charge and I think they just truly don't that what most them actually want is to be the one holding the keys to power.

I am an AI Safety Person and I want the government to nationalize or have a significant stake in the frontier labs and to have democratic control of the development of the technology. The AI Safety movement is not a monolith. I do not think Eliezer Yudkowsky nor his acolytes should hold the reins, but a lot of folks sure like to create a strawman that anyone who wants to regulate OpenAI is somehow an EA/MIRI weirdo

Yes I trust this government with that power. /extreme sarcasm

Re: Everyone should slow down AI development except for me

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Post by unleashhale »

lukan wrote: post #34
ranger_danger wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I figured they're just admitting AI models have plateaued and are coming up with some fake story about self restraint so they don't lose VC money

Not sure about the level of irony here, but I keep hearing models have plateaued since a while now, but I keep being impressed with the latest model performance.

Anything in particular? My experience has been like seeing the addition of retractable cupholders, but maybe different domains.

Re: Everyone should slow down AI development except for me

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Post by aragilar »

perching_aix wrote: post #19
dwohnitmok wrote: post #15

> Everyone should slow down AI development except for me Who's said this? And then more broadly I guess who's implied this? Very curious if there are specific articles/posts prompting this.

Here's the context: - Anthropic CEO Dario Amodei: We Must Pace the Frontier, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49672510 - OpenAI CEO Sam Altman: I agree with Dario that we need to pace the frontier, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49678211 - the blogpost author thinking they're like, so funny and original, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49678683

Pretty sure it's supposed to be parody.

Re: Everyone should slow down AI development except for me

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Post by nialv7 »

api wrote: post #41
dorolow wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am an AI Safety Person and I want the government to nationalize or have a significant stake in the frontier labs and to have democratic control of the development of the technology. The AI Safety movement is not a monolith. I do not think Eliezer Yudkowsky nor his acolytes should hold the reins, but a lot of folks sure like to create a strawman that anyone who wants to regulate OpenAI is somehow an EA/MIRI weirdo

Yes I trust this government with that power. /extreme sarcasm

Yes I trust sama/dario/elon with that power

/even more extreme sarcasm than you

Re: Everyone should slow down AI development except for me

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Post by CamperBob2 »

dorolow wrote: post #17
coderintherye wrote: post #8

I have to wonder if some us are just much more inured to salespeople and thus also to "AI Safety" propaganda. I've yet to have a logical discussion with anyone who thinks the "AI Safety" people should be in charge and I think they just truly don't that what most them actually want is to be the one holding the keys to power.

I am an AI Safety Person and I want the government to nationalize or have a significant stake in the frontier labs and to have democratic control of the development of the technology. The AI Safety movement is not a monolith. I do not think Eliezer Yudkowsky nor his acolytes should hold the reins, but a lot of folks sure like to create a strawman that anyone who wants to regulate OpenAI is somehow an EA/MIRI weirdo

to have democratic control of the development of the technology

Not super interested in what the people who elected Donald Trump POTUS twice think about AI.

(Of course, with Musk and Brockman in the C-suites at two of three major labs, that's what we'll get either way.)

Re: Everyone should slow down AI development except for me

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Post by dorolow »

nradov wrote: post #36
dorolow wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am an AI Safety Person and I want the government to nationalize or have a significant stake in the frontier labs and to have democratic control of the development of the technology. The AI Safety movement is not a monolith. I do not think Eliezer Yudkowsky nor his acolytes should hold the reins, but a lot of folks sure like to create a strawman that anyone who wants to regulate OpenAI is somehow an EA/MIRI weirdo

Yikes. Hopefully you never gain any power or influence. The last thing we need is more economic central planning. I sincerely hope that you fail.

Do you think things like the Manhattan Project were a mistake? Comparing AI to nuclear weapons is perhaps a stretch, but I think most people recognize that certain technologies or artifacts are best monopolized by our governing bodies. I think if the capabilities of AI systems keep growing on trend, it is not unreasonable to think wonton usage could disrupt society or cause mass harm.

Re: Everyone should slow down AI development except for me

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Post by jordanb »

qchris wrote: post #30
jordanb wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is the "AI Safety" people seem entirely focused on a sci-fi "the computer is a vengeful god" plot and not at all on the AI talking people into suicide or ruining children's educations. This makes them seem unserious and out of touch.

I don't disagree with your point, but I did read a post by Sean Goedecke[1] (whose opinions on the world of LLM-stuff I've generally come to respect) that I found relevant. It's not that the second-order effects don't matter to them, it's more that both the cat's probably out of the bag on those negative externalities regardless of the progress of frontier models, and that they are truly, sincerely, in-their-bones wo…

OK understood. But you understand this makes them sound like the type of person who doesn't believe any of the "worldly concerns" are worth addressing because "the end is near" right?

Re: Everyone should slow down AI development except for me

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Post by [deleted] »

aragilar wrote: post #43
perching_aix wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's the context: - Anthropic CEO Dario Amodei: We Must Pace the Frontier, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49672510 - OpenAI CEO Sam Altman: I agree with Dario that we need to pace the frontier, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49678211 - the blogpost author thinking they're like, so funny and original, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49678683

Pretty sure it's supposed to be parody.

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Re: Everyone should slow down AI development except for me

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Post by dorolow »

api wrote: post #41
dorolow wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am an AI Safety Person and I want the government to nationalize or have a significant stake in the frontier labs and to have democratic control of the development of the technology. The AI Safety movement is not a monolith. I do not think Eliezer Yudkowsky nor his acolytes should hold the reins, but a lot of folks sure like to create a strawman that anyone who wants to regulate OpenAI is somehow an EA/MIRI weirdo

Yes I trust this government with that power. /extreme sarcasm

That's an extremely fair objection! But despite the many, many flaws of our government and the current administration, I still have (hopefully) a chance to vote them out of power. I have no such hopes with Sam Altman or Elon Musk.

Re: Everyone should slow down AI development except for me

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Post by dorolow »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #45
dorolow wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am an AI Safety Person and I want the government to nationalize or have a significant stake in the frontier labs and to have democratic control of the development of the technology. The AI Safety movement is not a monolith. I do not think Eliezer Yudkowsky nor his acolytes should hold the reins, but a lot of folks sure like to create a strawman that anyone who wants to regulate OpenAI is somehow an EA/MIRI weirdo

to have democratic control of the development of the technology Not super interested in what the people who elected Donald Trump POTUS twice think about AI. (Of course, with Musk and Brockman in the C-suites at two of three major labs, that's what we'll get either way.)

Fair objection, but I still think it is lower risk to diffuse power and control of a potentially dangerous and revolutionary technology than to leave it in the hands of the few elites who have not show much ethical integrity so far.
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