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Waymo pulls over, calls cops on juvenile riders who had 'ghost gun"

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Re: Waymo pulls over, calls cops on juvenile riders who had 'ghost gun"

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Post by UltraSane »

kelnos wrote: post #4
MostlyStable wrote: post #2

As far as I can tell here the ghost portion is basically a non-sequiter. The waymo vehicle called the cops because it detected e passengers had a gun. The vehicle did not know or care about its status as a ghost gun or not. I'm sure that the Waymo terms of service prohibit carrying weapons into the vehicle. I'm pretty sure that if you were brandishing a realistic looking enough gun, an Uber driver would kick you out…

There's a big difference between a human present who can make a decision based on a situation literally in front of their eyes, and a computer flagging a video feed for someone in what amounts to a call center to look at and decide on. Not to mention the mass surveillance this sort of stuff continues to help enable.

I'm pretty sure a human started watching live video from the car as soon as the AI flagged a gun. I doubt that Waymo is willing to have their system automatically call cops.

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Post by UltraSane »

threecheese wrote: post #27
bot403 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not a fan of expanding surveillance but the alternative of unmonitored transit seems worse. Going to shoot up a place? Take your guns on a waymo. It won't complain. Guy wants to take an obviously distressed and co-erced girl to an abandoned lot? No complaints. Person with obvious head injury and slurring speech wants to go home instead of the hospital? Sure. Person has heart attack and passes out in back? We'll j…

This is a problem that autonomous vehicles created. Why should we not complain that its solution is worse than non-autonomous travel, given it carries risk that doesn't exist today? Does Waymo benefit society enough to carry the tradeoffs? And what surveillance or other risks does this introduce outside of the cabin, and why should society allow that? What is the definition of modicum of detection, and who is drawing…

> Does Waymo benefit society enough to carry the tradeoffs?

It absolutely does 1000x. You can also just not use it.

Re: Waymo pulls over, calls cops on juvenile riders who had 'ghost gun"

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Post by anon84873628 »

monster_truck wrote: post #86
anon84873628 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would you do any of those things in a regular taxi or subway car? Imagine the alternative headline saying the murderers used Waymo for their drive-by assassination. There is only one option for Waymo here, and the idiocy of the US police is not within their power to solve.

We used to do this and more with nerf guns, laser tag, and then paintball guns. You're not going to believe this but we even used to be able to ride our bikes 30 miles away from home without our parents being arrested. We played with fire in the park too. One time we even found porn there dude The 90s were lit Nah you're right tho let's imagine the worst case scenario. What if that person in the waymo had a nuclear b…

Considering how to deal with people brandishing weapons in a Waymo is not just imagining a scenario, since it has already actually happened.

I also grew up in the 90s and did things like throw eggs out of cars. We wouldn't have done it from a taxi or Uber. Your comment really makes no sense.

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Post by smelendez »

anon84873628 wrote: post #23
handwarmers wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe we shouldn't put the whole burden of world justice on Waymo, this allowing it a complete invasion of the privacy of both the people who use it and those who don't? Guy takes a drugged up girl on the train, should we hold the train responsible for the outcome also?

Are you aware of BART Police or MTA Police? All trains have conductors who monitor passenger behavior and enforce rules/laws.

I don’t think a train conductor would normally intervene if they saw someone escorting an intoxicated person.

Unfortunately taking someone somewhere to rob or assault them doesn’t look that different from taking a drunk friend to a safe place.

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Post by xyst »

Whatever LG has been doing in the consumer electronic sector has been perfected in Waymo’s vehicles. It starts with capturing everything that happens inside vehicle, claim it’s catching users violating ToS. Then it graduates to full blown Flock—like mobile surveillance tech.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the cars are already capturing and storing license plates, tracking pedestrian activity.

It’s all being prepared for the sale to governments and intelligence communities. Or maybe to serve the privatized shit hole known as 'network states' coined by the pathetic parasite, Peter Thiel.

Orwellian dystopia is here folks. It just took a detour/roundabout way (9/11, patriot act, greedy capitalists, social media …) to get us there.

Re: Waymo pulls over, calls cops on juvenile riders who had 'ghost gun"

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Post by xyst »

kelnos wrote: post #3

I'm really torn on this. This particular situation, at face value at least, sounds like a good outcome. Kids had a gun, someone noticed, called police, situation handled without escalation or violence or something tragic happening. But this doesn't generalize. Another incident described in the article was when some kids were drinking in the car and shooting toy guns. What if they hadn't been drinking? What if they we…

These types of stories will be used to justify the blanket surveillance of citizens. It’s worked quite well.

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Post by kennywinker »

alt227 wrote: post #107
kennywinker wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Taxis are a part of transportation infrastructure. Like a system that allows public and private healthcare, a private option pulls the rich people off the public system causing them to neglect and vote against the public system. So waymos means less busses/trains, which means a bunch of people stuck in the middle - they would prefer to take a bus or a train but the service is poorly maintained so they are forced to t…

Taxis, busses, and trains are all private spaces with cameras in them. Public infrastructure has been run by private companies for a long time.

Yes. And the use of cameras has traditionally been: if something happens, there is a record that can be consulted.

That has changed. Networked cameras and AI means that cameras can be constantly monitored: license plates logged and mapped in realtime, faces scanned and profiled, symbols and objects detected.

I have no problem with calling the cops on someone with a gun. But that same kind of tech can (and has already been) seamlessly be turned on protestors, journalists, political opponents, union organizers, and ex girlfriends.

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Post by gruez »

kennywinker wrote: post #101
gruez wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Sure, but the Waymo is taking intrusive video of much more than the inside of the car. The alternative is having a driver in the car, which is equally intrusive.

> The alternative is having a driver in the car, which is equally intrusive. Would you rather have one random stranger see you naked, or have a video of you naked passed around to every cop in your city? Unless you feel the same about those two scenarios, it seems like a driver and a camera are not equally intrusive.

>Would you rather have one random stranger see you naked, or have a video of you naked passed around to every cop in your city?

Half the ubers I've been now has a "you're being recorded" notice. Public transit is far worse.

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Post by lostlogin »

jareklupinski wrote: post #80
kelnos wrote: post #3

I'm really torn on this. This particular situation, at face value at least, sounds like a good outcome. Kids had a gun, someone noticed, called police, situation handled without escalation or violence or something tragic happening. But this doesn't generalize. Another incident described in the article was when some kids were drinking in the car and shooting toy guns. What if they hadn't been drinking? What if they we…

> thought the guns were real, called the cops, and the cops screwed up and shot one of the kids? you dont need a Waymo for that :(

The scenario has 3 problems. The surveillance by Wayno, the US police propensity for shooting people and kids having guns.

Wayno picked a difficult market.

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Post by MrDrMcCoy »

nradov wrote: post #96
mplanchard wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I grew up in the 90s too, and I’m fairly certain that shooting paintball guns out of a taxi would have been generally frowned upon even during that halcyon era.

The kids I grew up with played paintball tag in their own cars, not taxis.

I made the mistake of using my car as a paintball tank at an unofficial range. That stuff never came out of weather stripping on the windows and left streaks every time the windows rolled for years.
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