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Re: GrapheneOS' rewritten Messages app is released

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Post by microtonal »

Telaneo wrote: post #59
saligne wrote: post #42

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You should search for the many times where GrapheneOS has stated they won't work with Fairphone

It's because Fairphone doesn't fulfil GOS's hardware requirements. If Fairphone addresses that, there's no reason for GOS to not support a Fairphone device.

I don't think they can, even if they wanted to. From the GrapheneOS device requirements:

Device support code updated to new monthly, quarterly and yearly releases of AOSP within several months to provide new security improvements (Pixels receive these in the month they're released)

Fairphone's hardware and software is developed by a Chinese ODM (T2Mobile), who even have difficulty pushing out monthly patches very timely. They don't even do QPR2s, major Android updates are very late (usually almost a year), they rarely do driver firmware or kernel updates. There is no way they could fulfill this guarantee unless they started doing software development in-house and paid Qualcomm for monthly firmware updates.

Re: GrapheneOS' rewritten Messages app is released

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Post by kwarcode »

Walf wrote: post #97
j1elo wrote: post #78

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I'm just reading from the barrier here, and not knowing what it even looks like, but reading your description I can immediately agree that it is a bad design. There's only a handful of critical details in a call history, and absolutely no reason for any UI to implement them as secondary or tertiary details: Whether it was in- or outbound. To/from what contact. The date and time. 2 taps for some other extra info such…

>not knowing what it even looks like Clearly. >There's only a handful of critical details in a call history And they're all there: profile pic, contact name, indicators that show incoming/outgoing + missed/connected, which SIM, a redial button, how long ago (which after about a week shows the date), Tapping the middle expands the row (no obstructive pop-up) to show Block, Message, & Details buttons. The reason it has…

> The reason it has 'human times' is because multiple calls with the same contact are grouped, so a precise time doesn't always make sense.

But a precise time does always make sense.

And even if "doesn't always make sense" was true, it doesn't on its own justify a different default.

So what does grouping have to do with it?

Re: GrapheneOS' rewritten Messages app is released

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Post by microtonal »

josephg wrote: post #101
Telaneo wrote: post #88

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Simple. Fairphone doesn't want GOS. Forking GOS and porting it to a new device is a huge and unreasonable ask for an individual user. Even less so when you include the fact that you'll need to keep it up to date.

Why? Because of drivers? Don’t they already have Linux drivers for the fairphone? I wonder if fable or astra could wire everything up.

LLMs do not solve every problem.

You are dependent on Qualcomm for hardware firmware updates and apparently they charge quite a bit extra if you want continuous monthly security updates [1]. This is possibly one of the reasons that smaller OEMs like Fairphone do not update firmware regularly and instead choose to keep their customers vulnerable to many known CVEs.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48079791

Re: GrapheneOS' rewritten Messages app is released

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Post by microtonal »

em-bee wrote: post #58
bramhaag wrote: post #47

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> Fairphone has said they don't plan to add a secure element. It can be seen from their current devices that they don't fully keep up with privacy/security backports and lag a year behind on shipping yearly OS releases. They skip over the monthly and quarterly releases entirely. They replaced their own non-GMS Fairphone OS with a dramatically less secure /e/OS option in partnership with Murena. They clearly demonstra…

They replaced their own non-GMS Fairphone OS with a dramatically less secure /e/OS it sounds like they are saying that /e/OS is less secure than fairphone's own OS. with all criticism against /e/OS taken into account, i highly doubt that fairphone would have been able to make their own version of android more secure than /e/OS when they are not even interested in working on that.

It starts with simply rolling major releases out earlier than /e/OS. Remember that to get security fixes for vulnerabilities not marked high/critical, you need the QPR/major updates. Those vulnerabilities may not be an immediate RCE, but they might get used in exploit chains after an RCE. Also, Fairphone and /e/OS will have many known RCEs, because they do not roll out embargoed patches like GrapheneOS and to some extend Samsung & Pixel do.

Re: GrapheneOS' rewritten Messages app is released

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Post by armadyl »

microtonal wrote: post #159
bigstrat2003 wrote: post #153

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A brief search says that iPhone sales in 225 were approximately $200 billion. 5% of that is therefore approximately $10 billion. If you call that a "massive flop", your standards are completely unrealistic. That is a massive success. And no, the clothes analogy is not flawed. The point is that in other markets, niche tastes and needs get served even if it isn't as cheap or plentiful. It's only the phone manufacturers…

A brief search says that iPhone sales in 225 were approximately $200 billion. 5% of that is therefore approximately $10 billion. If you call that a "massive flop", your standards are completely unrealistic. That is a massive success. It's all about scale. Yes 10B is a lot for most companies, but for Apple 5% is just a blip on the radar. They probably also did their market research and found that the vast majority of…

Thanks you said it better than I would’ve

Re: GrapheneOS' rewritten Messages app is released

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Post by armadyl »

microtonal wrote: post #160
armadyl wrote: post #109

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Supporting an alternative OS wouldn’t change the fate of Fairphone, imo. Most people don’t care to move away from the stock version of Android that comes with their phone or iOS.

This isn't a hypothetical, Fairphone supports alternative OSes. Heck, you can even buy it with /e/OS in their store: https://www.fairphone.com/the-fairphone-gen-6-plus-e-operati...

tbf that was just more so me insulting fairphone and kinda unnecessary from me

Re: GrapheneOS' rewritten Messages app is released

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Post by grapheneos »

beepbooptheory wrote: post #102

The biggest issue I have with the degoogled Androids is no RCS chats out of the box. At least for me, it stinks these days to not have it, and you're forced to do sneaky things to get it.

Providing it via the built-in Messaging app is planned but not straightforward to implement since it's not an open platform. GrapheneOS has official support for using RCS via Google Messages rather than it requiring anything sketchy. It's currently essentially the only remaining Android RCS client.

Re: GrapheneOS' rewritten Messages app is released

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Post by microtonal »

mmooss wrote: post #145
Cider9986 wrote: post #143

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They get most of their donations from cryptocurrency. Mostly small Monero donations but also Bitcoin and Ethereum. They have 14 devs 13 are payed in ETH and 1 in CAD. Iirc they said something like 2 million in donations in 2025. Vitalik Buterin may have donated at least some time ago. Proton donates double digits. Cape has donated around 100k https://www.cape.co/blog/cape-supports-grapheneos and plans to donate 100k…

Thank you! Though I still wonder: > Iirc they said something like 2 million in donations in 2025. That's not enough for 14 devs, plus infrastructure, etc. > There's estimated 500k users so if 25% donated 10 dollars a year that's 1.25 million. Unfortunately, 25% would be extraordinary for any project. They should make their financing public (and maybe they do), being a non-profit and also asking people to trust them w…

Unfortunately, 25% would be extraordinary for any project.

Though they were stating $10 per year. You only need 2.1% of the users to donate $10 monthly to get to the same amount. I think GrapheneOS is one of those projects that is really important to their users, so I wouldn't be surprised if more than 2% of the users donated monthly.

Re: GrapheneOS' rewritten Messages app is released

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Post by grapheneos »

mmooss wrote: post #139
HybridStatAnim8 wrote: post #127

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GrapheneOS has made a big push to hire a bunch of experienced, talented app devs, and they have been slowly chipping away at Messaging for a few months. They now have the resources to take on the AOSP apps and resume with the GrapheneOS apps. The rest of the AOSP apps are also planned to be overhauled. They also plan to eventually support RCS in the Messaging app.

> GrapheneOS has made a big push to hire a bunch of experienced, talented app devs That's great. How can a FOSS project afford that? Where does GOS money come from? Did Daniel win the lottery?

GrapheneOS is entirely funded by donations. We're not yet spending nearly enough yet relative to the amount of donations we're receiving.

Re: GrapheneOS' rewritten Messages app is released

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Post by asaddhamani »

wlesieutre wrote: post #146
armadyl wrote: post #108

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The overwhelming majority of consumers just prefer larger screens (myself included). People seem to forget that Apple releasing the Mini was them listening to the minority and the sales numbers if it were poor versus the rest of the lineup. And why would Meta even do that?

The follow-up strategy of “smaller width and height didn’t work, let’s try thickness next” reportedly not going any better. I really think COVID shutdowns did the mini in. People couldn’t go to the store and try holding a phone where they could use it comfortably one-handed again. And then by the time they could, Apple axed it.

I bought the mini and I bought the Air so it worked on me. I think it’s crazy that Apple sold millions of devices and that’s not enough of a market. We should make devices few people use, not everything needs to be mass market, to me that’s enshittification and greed.
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