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Re: GrapheneOS' rewritten Messages app is released

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Post by armadyl »

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #144
armadyl wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The overwhelming majority of consumers just prefer larger screens (myself included). People seem to forget that Apple releasing the Mini was them listening to the minority and the sales numbers if it were poor versus the rest of the lineup. And why would Meta even do that?

> the sales numbers if it were poor versus the rest of the lineup. For one, the sales were still perfectly respectable. "Versus the rest of the lineup" is doing a ton of work here, because the rest of the iPhone models sell like crazy. For two, it is still bizarre that manufacturers refuse to make small phones even with that in mind. If you wear very small clothes (or very large clothes) that won't sell as many units…

Bro the Mini was a flop for Apple, it could barely surpass 5% of all iPhone sales during its run. It would be nonsensical for a publicly traded company to leave money on the table and keep an underperforming product alive when they could put that towards the better performing bigger screen iPhones instead.

For a small company sure it could be considered a success.

I don’t think tech can be compared to the fashion industry. Also that example doesn’t really work. Because you basically have a locked in group who needs the clothes. Just also culturally there’s reasons why these clothing sizes exist. Nobody needs a small phone.

But across the board it makes no sense for any OEM to make small phones when the data all shows that bigger screens sell more. That’s just absorbing an unnecessary opportunity cost.

I think the only real way small phones will reach the market at this point in time is via a private company that’s basically run as a passion project.

Honestly in this case the consumers do share the blame. They begged for the mini and didn’t show up. If apple couldn’t do it it’s unlikely that the android oems could.

Re: GrapheneOS' rewritten Messages app is released

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Post by prophesi »

sellmesoap wrote: post #117
fph wrote: post #82

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Why would they support SMS then?

SMS is a defacto carrier tech that people expect to work, people also don't expect e2ee or any kind of privacy scheme on SMS but it might be a place to hand communication off to a different tech. Whereas RCS leaks meta data to the goog or worse (I don't know the ins and outs of RCS) but by default I would trust it less then signal, who may also collect meta data leaked through the goog, so I guess the real solution i…

Signal > RCS > SMS.

Just because RCS can't be done without metadata doesn't mean it's a fruitless endeavor. Why not have someone use RCS to then get on Signal? That is so much better than plaintext SMS to Signal.

And for most people, RCS between Android iOS is the biggest advancement in encrypted communication for the layman that I've seen since Let's Encrypt.

Re: GrapheneOS' rewritten Messages app is released

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Post by bigstrat2003 »

armadyl wrote: post #151
bigstrat2003 wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the sales numbers if it were poor versus the rest of the lineup. For one, the sales were still perfectly respectable. "Versus the rest of the lineup" is doing a ton of work here, because the rest of the iPhone models sell like crazy. For two, it is still bizarre that manufacturers refuse to make small phones even with that in mind. If you wear very small clothes (or very large clothes) that won't sell as many units…

Bro the Mini was a flop for Apple, it could barely surpass 5% of all iPhone sales during its run. It would be nonsensical for a publicly traded company to leave money on the table and keep an underperforming product alive when they could put that towards the better performing bigger screen iPhones instead. For a small company sure it could be considered a success. I don’t think tech can be compared to the fashion ind…

A brief search says that iPhone sales in 225 were approximately $200 billion. 5% of that is therefore approximately $10 billion. If you call that a "massive flop", your standards are completely unrealistic. That is a massive success.

And no, the clothes analogy is not flawed. The point is that in other markets, niche tastes and needs get served even if it isn't as cheap or plentiful. It's only the phone manufacturers which refuse to try to get sales from a smaller (but still quite extant) market.

Re: GrapheneOS' rewritten Messages app is released

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Post by ta8903 »

armadyl wrote: post #151
bigstrat2003 wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the sales numbers if it were poor versus the rest of the lineup. For one, the sales were still perfectly respectable. "Versus the rest of the lineup" is doing a ton of work here, because the rest of the iPhone models sell like crazy. For two, it is still bizarre that manufacturers refuse to make small phones even with that in mind. If you wear very small clothes (or very large clothes) that won't sell as many units…

Bro the Mini was a flop for Apple, it could barely surpass 5% of all iPhone sales during its run. It would be nonsensical for a publicly traded company to leave money on the table and keep an underperforming product alive when they could put that towards the better performing bigger screen iPhones instead. For a small company sure it could be considered a success. I don’t think tech can be compared to the fashion ind…

But you see people talking about the mini almost every time there's a discussion about iPhones (or phones in general). Surely it would have been worth it to Apple to keep the mini alive just to avoid the negative press and pretend they care about their consumers beyond making a profit. But I guess it really isn't possible to do things like that in a publicly traded company.

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Post by Cider9986 »

nosioptar wrote: post #131
jcul wrote: post #94

Where I live, an sms app is not very important. It's almost exclusively used for two factor authentication messages. Everyone uses WhatsApp, signal, telegram etc, even businesses and services. So having a bare bones aosp messaging app was never an issue for me. Having said that, I find fossify messages pretty good. Will try out the new GOS app too.

All of fossify's apps I've tried have been better than the stock apps.

Their phone app doesn't have visual voicemail.

Re: GrapheneOS' rewritten Messages app is released

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Post by microtonal »

wlesieutre wrote: post #146
armadyl wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The overwhelming majority of consumers just prefer larger screens (myself included). People seem to forget that Apple releasing the Mini was them listening to the minority and the sales numbers if it were poor versus the rest of the lineup. And why would Meta even do that?

The follow-up strategy of “smaller width and height didn’t work, let’s try thickness next” reportedly not going any better. I really think COVID shutdowns did the mini in. People couldn’t go to the store and try holding a phone where they could use it comfortably one-handed again. And then by the time they could, Apple axed it.

I don't believe this at all. If people yearned for smaller phones, they would have gotten it despite COVID. My wife and I both had a Mini and I remember going to the local electronics store (most of the summer there were no closures) and the iPhone islands were well-visited, but simply nobody was looking at the Minis.

I think people get the wrong estimation about the size of the contingent that want small phones. It is a vocal minority, similar to people ranting every time about headphone jacks. Most people do not care about these things. If they want to hook a wired headphone, they'll get a 10 Euro dongle and most people use Bluetooth. My wife uses a wired headphone for listening audio books at night and I never heard her complain about the stereo jack going away.

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Post by microtonal »

ta8903 wrote: post #154
armadyl wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bro the Mini was a flop for Apple, it could barely surpass 5% of all iPhone sales during its run. It would be nonsensical for a publicly traded company to leave money on the table and keep an underperforming product alive when they could put that towards the better performing bigger screen iPhones instead. For a small company sure it could be considered a success. I don’t think tech can be compared to the fashion ind…

But you see people talking about the mini almost every time there's a discussion about iPhones (or phones in general). Surely it would have been worth it to Apple to keep the mini alive just to avoid the negative press and pretend they care about their consumers beyond making a profit. But I guess it really isn't possible to do things like that in a publicly traded company.

But you see people talking about the mini almost every time there's a discussion about iPhones (or phones in general).

...in tech forums where people hold strong opinions about tech and the people who have their pet peeves come out. IRL I have rarely heard somebody wanting Apple to bring the Mini back. Or the stereo jack for that matter.

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Post by Telaneo »

armadyl wrote: post #110
NewJazz wrote: post #48

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I would imagine the cross section of people who seek out GOS but would settle for Postmarket OS is nearly non existent.

I settled for /e/os and was disappointed, so in a way you're right, since I won't stick around.

Re: GrapheneOS' rewritten Messages app is released

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Post by microtonal »

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #153
armadyl wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bro the Mini was a flop for Apple, it could barely surpass 5% of all iPhone sales during its run. It would be nonsensical for a publicly traded company to leave money on the table and keep an underperforming product alive when they could put that towards the better performing bigger screen iPhones instead. For a small company sure it could be considered a success. I don’t think tech can be compared to the fashion ind…

A brief search says that iPhone sales in 225 were approximately $200 billion. 5% of that is therefore approximately $10 billion. If you call that a "massive flop", your standards are completely unrealistic. That is a massive success. And no, the clothes analogy is not flawed. The point is that in other markets, niche tastes and needs get served even if it isn't as cheap or plentiful. It's only the phone manufacturers…

A brief search says that iPhone sales in 225 were approximately $200 billion. 5% of that is therefore approximately $10 billion. If you call that a "massive flop", your standards are completely unrealistic. That is a massive success.

It's all about scale. Yes 10B is a lot for most companies, but for Apple 5% is just a blip on the radar. They probably also did their market research and found that the vast majority of Mini users would buy another iPhone model if they discontinued the Mini. Those facts combined give Apple little incentive to continue the lineup.

Another thing that further clouds the 5% discussion is that some Mini purchasers may have bought it not because of the size, but because it was $100 cheaper while still getting the same SoC. Maybe those buyers were disappointed by the worse battery life, and Apple could choose to axe it or make it the same price as the regular iPhone and it would drop way below 5%.

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Post by microtonal »

armadyl wrote: post #109
varispeed wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Without support of alternative OS Fairphone is basically a landfill. Why would anyone buy this apart from novelty factor.

Supporting an alternative OS wouldn’t change the fate of Fairphone, imo. Most people don’t care to move away from the stock version of Android that comes with their phone or iOS.

This isn't a hypothetical, Fairphone supports alternative OSes. Heck, you can even buy it with /e/OS in their store:

https://www.fairphone.com/the-fairphone-gen-6-plus-e-operati...

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