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Re: Claude is only available to people over 18 years

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Post by pigpop »

mrandish wrote: post #461
Waterluvian wrote: post #317

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I'm imagining a future where a bunch of bizarre laws interact oddly (as they do), and now we've got websites with unnecessary nudity pasted in the corner. "Oh, those? Those are just compliance tits. Ignore those. It's just a thing that came a few years after we finally got rid of the cookie banners. The companies wanted certain protections awarded only to 18+ sites. But you can't just declare yourself an 18+ site, so…

Why not? We already need to include typos and misspellings to signal we're not an LLM.

What use is this when you can just prompt the LLM to insert those or use any other style of writing that looks human?

Re: Claude is only available to people over 18 years

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Post by skybrian »

sajithdilshan wrote: post #484
skybrian wrote: post #100

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This is almost right, but it shouldn’t be “is a child using the device?” It should be “is this a child-locked device?” There should be a children’s Internet, just like there are children’s libraries, and child-locked devices should give access to it. Adults should be able to use the children’s Internet to see what’s there and children should be able to use the adult Internet when supervised by parents and teachers. T…

> http header indicating that the client is a child-locked device what happens when the request goes through a proxy and that proxy is configured to strip this header?

Websites that don't cooperate would need to be blocked by child-locked devices. That part wouldn't be any different from today.

Re: Claude is only available to people over 18 years

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Post by [deleted] »

throw310822 wrote: post #414
sam-cop-vimes wrote: post #185

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This seems like a lazy snipe. They clearly state that they receive only an age verification result and none of the personal data. It would take collusion from both sides to silently enable transfer of user data while publicly stating that they don't. I have used these KYC services before. There is the option to get access to all user data - but unless there is evidence to the contrary, we have to take their word for…

80% of comments on AI-related stuff are lazy snipes now. Feels more and more like a forum of know-it-all teenagers.

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Re: Claude is only available to people over 18 years

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Post by odo1242 »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #119
embedding-shape wrote: post #33

Claude Executive: Damn, we hardly know who our users are, can't we just force them to say their full name or ban them? Claude Product Manager: No, that'll piss people off too much, and sadly we can't just ask for ID either... Claude Executive: There must be some way we can force people to link their government IDs with our platform so our analytics get better and more accurate? Claude Product Manager: We could limit…

Age verification is not (should not be) the same as ID verification / storage / etc; the US needs laws similar to EU ones where companies can only get the minimum required PII. In the case of age verification that's zero, or a boolean value "yes this person is over 18" that they get from a trusted party like a bank.

Well, that’s basically just the California law everyone hated

Re: Claude is only available to people over 18 years

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Post by ceehex »

londons_explore wrote: post #421
egorfine wrote: post #259

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> or a boolean value "yes this person is over 18" It would be detrimental to the cause, which is to collect everyone's ID.

Whilst this is OP's point, the reality is the majority of big tech companies have been treating user data like radioactive waste for 10+ years. Most user data is of minimal economic value, until you leak it, and then suddenly there are millions of euros of fines headed your way. Better to not hold the data in the first place.

you must be living under a rock, mutable user data like usage habits is being collected at increasing levels

Re: Claude is only available to people over 18 years

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Post by Exoristos »

eikenberry wrote: post #537
munificent wrote: post #443

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> I really wish we could leave these types of decisions up to parents and parents only. I am strongly sympathetic of this point. But, also, children with shitty parents deserve as much safety and support as they can get too. This is an extremely difficult balancing act. Various laws and organizations get it wrong all the time, but it does require balance because there is no simple solution here that just works. There…

> * In a just society, your opportunity in life should not depend on being lucky with who your parents are. The vast majority of people are raised by their birth parents which means 0 luck was involved. You are here due to their actions and are who you are due to their combined genes and situation.

This is a very cogent observation that I'm afraid is going to go over many heads. Children and parents are intrinsically suited to each other by genetics, shared environment, and other empirical factors. Societal and legal reasoning that asserts a child as a Platonic form cannot in fact benefit the singular development of that child.

Re: Claude is only available to people over 18 years

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Post by zanellato19 »

eikenberry wrote: post #537
munificent wrote: post #443

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> I really wish we could leave these types of decisions up to parents and parents only. I am strongly sympathetic of this point. But, also, children with shitty parents deserve as much safety and support as they can get too. This is an extremely difficult balancing act. Various laws and organizations get it wrong all the time, but it does require balance because there is no simple solution here that just works. There…

> * In a just society, your opportunity in life should not depend on being lucky with who your parents are. The vast majority of people are raised by their birth parents which means 0 luck was involved. You are here due to their actions and are who you are due to their combined genes and situation.

i.e., luck

Re: Claude is only available to people over 18 years

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Post by Exoristos »

siddthesquid wrote: post #494
pixl97 wrote: post #478

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Define bad parenting? Should the state do nothing about children not being sent to school? Should they go hungry when not fed? Should we just throw the kids in jail instead of programs that provide support? The libertarian "eh whatever" means of government has a lot of negative side effects too.

Also these kids will grow up to do harm to the communities in that state, which will spend more money at the end cleaning up those mistakes.

Given an effective sample size, parents have a much higher success rate ensuring children do not grow up as hazards to the society than publicly-funded programs do.

Re: Claude is only available to people over 18 years

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Post by Dylan16807 »

GloriousKoji wrote: post #508
Zak wrote: post #501

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"May contain" labeling seems like the better solution to this problem. This should be allowed for allergens that are present in the manufacturing or packing facility but not intended to be ingredients in the product.

That's part of the problem. "May contain" doesn't provide legal protection and then if you make it a standard there needs to be testing for compliance which ends up as the same original problem and you just add compliance tits to your food product. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34116211

> "May contain" doesn't provide legal protection

Yes, this causes problems.

> and then if you make it a standard there needs to be testing for compliance

Why would there need to be any additional testing? If anything I'd expect "may" foods to need less testing than an accident-prone "no" food.

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