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Re: Claude is only available to people over 18 years

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Post by Zak »

erg0s4m wrote: post #465
Waterluvian wrote: post #317

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm imagining a future where a bunch of bizarre laws interact oddly (as they do), and now we've got websites with unnecessary nudity pasted in the corner. "Oh, those? Those are just compliance tits. Ignore those. It's just a thing that came a few years after we finally got rid of the cookie banners. The companies wanted certain protections awarded only to 18+ sites. But you can't just declare yourself an 18+ site, so…

Right this is exactly what happened with the new sesame laws. The government declared sesame as an allergen and enacted heavy fines if it was undisclosed. This lead to manufacturers adding sesame because they couldn't guarantee they were sesame free.

"May contain" labeling seems like the better solution to this problem. This should be allowed for allergens that are present in the manufacturing or packing facility but not intended to be ingredients in the product.

Re: Claude is only available to people over 18 years

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Post by xpct »

pr337h4m wrote: post #30

The dehumanization of children and teenagers is getting out of hand.

Kids lack proper impulse control and sometimes make bad decisions if left unattended. It's preferable if we restrict certain dangerous actions from them.

Yes, LLMs can be dangerous for your own health if misused. Yes, I'd be furious if I was 14 and got my Claude access revoked.

As others have said in this thread, I'd add that this should primarily be the parents' responsibility since they know their child best.

Re: Claude is only available to people over 18 years

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Post by rpdillon »

londons_explore wrote: post #421
egorfine wrote: post #259

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> or a boolean value "yes this person is over 18" It would be detrimental to the cause, which is to collect everyone's ID.

Whilst this is OP's point, the reality is the majority of big tech companies have been treating user data like radioactive waste for 10+ years. Most user data is of minimal economic value, until you leak it, and then suddenly there are millions of euros of fines headed your way. Better to not hold the data in the first place.

> majority of big tech companies have been treating user data like radioactive waste for 10+ years.

They're collecting more than ever.

Re: Claude is only available to people over 18 years

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Post by egorfine »

londons_explore wrote: post #421
egorfine wrote: post #259

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> or a boolean value "yes this person is over 18" It would be detrimental to the cause, which is to collect everyone's ID.

Whilst this is OP's point, the reality is the majority of big tech companies have been treating user data like radioactive waste for 10+ years. Most user data is of minimal economic value, until you leak it, and then suddenly there are millions of euros of fines headed your way. Better to not hold the data in the first place.

> suddenly there are millions of euros of fines headed your way

I'm not sure about that. As I see it, there is no business case for treating PII carefully: security costs money while leaking PII costs nothing and has no repercussions.

Re: Claude is only available to people over 18 years

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Post by Aurornis »

lelanthran wrote: post #477
Aurornis wrote: post #282

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> If you'd told me 15 years ago that people would be running freely-distributed software originating from research labs in China on computers self-hosted in their own house as an alternative to authoritarian overreach and control by the US in internet-based services, I'd have told you that you were smoking some good reefer. It’s a lot less surprising when you understand the tactic of economic dumping, which China has…

> They’re doing it as a way to undermine the industry leaders and attract people to their brands. I'm not seeing a problem here; don't all companies have this goal?

Selling a product below its cost of production can be done as a loss leader or market share tactic, but eventually you need to sell things for at least what it costs to make them.

Economic dumping is a specific scenario where one country tries to flood another country with cheap products in a way that usually has some government involvement subsidizing or incentivizing it. Countries are careful to hide these incentives or subsidies when possible because it's an invitation to trade wars. For China specifically, the state takes ownership positions in companies and has no problem forcing companies in the direction they want.

Re: Claude is only available to people over 18 years

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Post by Aurornis »

bigyabai wrote: post #452
Aurornis wrote: post #282

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> If you'd told me 15 years ago that people would be running freely-distributed software originating from research labs in China on computers self-hosted in their own house as an alternative to authoritarian overreach and control by the US in internet-based services, I'd have told you that you were smoking some good reefer. It’s a lot less surprising when you understand the tactic of economic dumping, which China has…

> They’re doing it as a way to undermine the industry leaders and attract people to their brands. Isn't that just how competition works? Codex and Claude are both widely speculated to be sold at a loss (at least compared to API pricing), so why isn't their tactic also considered dumping? OpenAI and Anthropic aren't stealing IP and subsidizing model inference because they love freedom either. They're doing it to under…

> Codex and Claude are both widely speculated to be sold at a loss (at least compared to API pricing)

It's more likely that the API prices are highly profitable. I could see the subscription plans losing them money for some power users who actually use 100% every week, but given my past experience with subscription products I would estimate that their average utilization is far, far lower than in those comparisons where people take the tokens produced by exhausting the plan 100% and then compare to hypothetical API pricing.

As for economic dumping: The crucial difference is that there's usually some geopolitical influence happening, like government subsidies, incentives, or the government simply owning the companies directly and weaponizing their output even if the company runs at a loss.

Re: Claude is only available to people over 18 years

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Post by notrealyme123 »

alt227 wrote: post #499
siddthesquid wrote: post #494

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Also these kids will grow up to do harm to the communities in that state, which will spend more money at the end cleaning up those mistakes.

Right now governments in western societies are pouring more money and resources than ever into support programs, and yet we still have record high levels of mental health, unemployment, poverty, waiting times for doctors and support staff etc etc. Government intervention and welfare is proven not to solve the things it tries to. See here for much information about how spending has increased in these sectors in the UK…

This data does not support the argument made here.

Re: Claude is only available to people over 18 years

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Post by GloriousKoji »

Zak wrote: post #501
erg0s4m wrote: post #465

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right this is exactly what happened with the new sesame laws. The government declared sesame as an allergen and enacted heavy fines if it was undisclosed. This lead to manufacturers adding sesame because they couldn't guarantee they were sesame free.

"May contain" labeling seems like the better solution to this problem. This should be allowed for allergens that are present in the manufacturing or packing facility but not intended to be ingredients in the product.

That's part of the problem. "May contain" doesn't provide legal protection and then if you make it a standard there needs to be testing for compliance which ends up as the same original problem and you just add compliance tits to your food product.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34116211

Re: Claude is only available to people over 18 years

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Post by ratelimitsteve »

brycewray wrote: post #332
Waterluvian wrote: post #317

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm imagining a future where a bunch of bizarre laws interact oddly (as they do), and now we've got websites with unnecessary nudity pasted in the corner. "Oh, those? Those are just compliance tits. Ignore those. It's just a thing that came a few years after we finally got rid of the cookie banners. The companies wanted certain protections awarded only to 18+ sites. But you can't just declare yourself an 18+ site, so…

Reminiscent of this scene from the 1981 teen-slasher parody, Student Bodies : > Announcer : Ladies and gentlemen, in order to achieve an "R" rating today, a motion picture must contain full frontal nudity, graphic violence, or an explicit reference to the sex act. Since this film has none of those, and since research has proven that R-rated films are by far the most popular with the moviegoing public, the producers o…

Joke's on you, as standards loosen now PG-13 movies get up to eleven "fuck"s to distribute throughout the film (nineteen for documentaries)

Re: Claude is only available to people over 18 years

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Post by ratelimitsteve »

erg0s4m wrote: post #465
Waterluvian wrote: post #317

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm imagining a future where a bunch of bizarre laws interact oddly (as they do), and now we've got websites with unnecessary nudity pasted in the corner. "Oh, those? Those are just compliance tits. Ignore those. It's just a thing that came a few years after we finally got rid of the cookie banners. The companies wanted certain protections awarded only to 18+ sites. But you can't just declare yourself an 18+ site, so…

Right this is exactly what happened with the new sesame laws. The government declared sesame as an allergen and enacted heavy fines if it was undisclosed. This lead to manufacturers adding sesame because they couldn't guarantee they were sesame free.

do you have an example of this? it feels like a suboptimal response even given the stupid, heavy-handed legislation you cite.
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