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Houthis 'take control' of key island in global shipping route

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Post by marcyb5st »

ericmay wrote: post #146
softwaredoug wrote: post #97

My understanding is we haven’t gotten to full Hormuz apocalypse mode because the Chinese have a ton of stockpiles. And the Red Sea has been an option. Those conditions seem to be changing.

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> Iran can't have a nuclear weapon. It's an intolerable premise and if the price to be paid is global oil catastrophe it's a price well worth paying

Says you.

All other nuclear nations behave (even Pakistan and India, which are at each other throat all the time). What makes you think that Iran won't? It will also have Russia and China keep a lid on them, same as North Korea. And I don't buy the "Iran is different" gospel. North Korea and China have completely different mindsets than the western world and still play ball.

Additionally, if Iran really is that adamant in getting nukes, I can see them asking some enriched material to Russia as a payment to the 100s if not 1000s of drones they are giving them. They share a "land" border through the Caspian sea and smuggling a few 10s of kilos of enriched material would be relatively easy.

Finally, it is not a good proposition if the hypotethical benefits will be reaped by US/Israel while the suffering is globally spread.

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Post by SmasherEpilepti »

jswartz wrote: post #143
huntertwo wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is blaming the government of Israel equivalent to blaming the Jews?

Not always, but often. The poster blaming everything "100%" on Israel tells me that they are not a person of nuance, and people who engage in rigid, black-and-white thinking often have overly simplistic views about how the world works (e.g. Jews control the world). Correlation does not mean causation, but it hints at it.

The majority of criticism of Israel I've seen have nothing to do with Jews or Judaism, but the war crimes by a right-wing militaristic state that engages in constant violent aggression.

Outside of extremist Muslim rhetoric, I've seen almost no anti-Jew criticism of Israel, but I've seen many statements like yours that equate criticism of Israel with antisemitism.

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Post by pphysch »

ericmay wrote: post #203
nemomarx wrote: post #186

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Maybe we should have brokered some kinda deal with Iran to prevent them getting a nuclear weapon then, huh. At this point they'd be fools to not pursue getting one, and we killed everyone in a position of authority who was rational about it. Cats out of the bag, one more nuclear rogue state.

> Maybe we should have brokered some kinda deal with Iran to prevent them getting a nuclear weapon then, huh. Maybe we should have brokered some kind of deal with Russia to prevent them from invading Ukraine. Do you trust American intelligence 100% to verify Iran is not building a nuclear bomb? And if they weren't, why also were they funding these militant groups? What's the point? It's Neo-colonialism in the Middle…

> Maybe we should have brokered some kind of deal with Russia to prevent them from invading Ukraine.

I understand history and contemporary events is not your strong suit, but such a deal was very much on the table in December 2021 and the Biden Admin laughed it off. Then again in April 2022.

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Post by ericmay »

nemomarx wrote: post #237
ericmay wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Maybe we should have brokered some kinda deal with Iran to prevent them getting a nuclear weapon then, huh. Maybe we should have brokered some kind of deal with Russia to prevent them from invading Ukraine. Do you trust American intelligence 100% to verify Iran is not building a nuclear bomb? And if they weren't, why also were they funding these militant groups? What's the point? It's Neo-colonialism in the Middle…

Burning the Koran is protected free speech, just as burning a flag is, or the Bible, or whatever else you'd like. The point is we had a deal, and Iran kept their enrichment below weapons development levels for all of that time. Even a few years after the deal was broken by Trump, apparently. We could have kept that status quo going and not dealt with tolls in the strait and expensive military operations, and it would…

Anchoring on this deal is a waste of time. We shouldn't have had to have a deal in the first place. They could just join other responsible countries like, idk, Vietnam, Brazil, and hmmm who else, Switzerland! in not pursuing nuclear weapons.

> We could have kept that status quo going

Like the last time the Houthis disrupted shipping? Or when Iran launched and supported attacks on Israel, plus continued disruption in Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, and Iraq? (Yemen too but mentioned via Houthis). Idk if that's a tolerable situation.

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Post by MBCook »

lukan wrote: post #114
khriss wrote: post #110

I wouldn't be surprised if this got downvoted off the front page in minutes, just like the other story about diesel being at all time highs. There is a well coordinated group here that seems unusually allergic to inconvenient truths.

Yes yes, my tinfoil protected brains thinks the same! Or wait, maybe just flamewar style debates are not so welcome here, so people flag instead have another debate about who is more evil?

People can pretend whatever they want, but this affects technology heavily too.

Everything you buy has to be shipped. That needs gas. Everything with plastic has oil in it.

Economic downturns/depressions/panics affect investment and the amount of money available for companies to keep running. Plus consumer/business demand. Especially hard on startups who aren’t profitable or don’t even have a product out yet.

Even if you ignore the extremely obvious political stuff, this will directly affect the entire audience here.

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Post by nekusar »

737min wrote: post #180

Ansar Allah (Houthis) is a terrible Islamist group that commits warcrimws against both Yemenis and people thousands of miles away. Here’s just one example, executing men for gayness: https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/03/27/yemen-houthis-sentence-m... “In addition to death sentences that include crucifixion and stoning, the Houthi court sentenced 23 men to prison for periods of up to 10 years. Three of them were also sent…

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Post by [deleted] »

tonmoy wrote: post #177
somenameforme wrote: post #147

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Do you even realize that one of the only reason anybody still supports this war is precisely because of comments like yours? By dividing people into teams, and antagonizing them, you result in people never willing to stomach giving an inch and doubling down on stupid. Obviously this war has been the US' latest great failure, and at the beckoning of a foreign power which makes it especially catastrophic. If people cou…

“Someone was wrong, now I need to pretend they weren’t so that their feelings don’t get hurt so that we can all pretend it didn’t happen”

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Post by 9cb14c1ec0 »

electrondood wrote: post #212
consumer451 wrote: post #174

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Holy shit. This is really interesting. AI used to impersonate, social media to amplify, and that led to a significant tactical defeat? I don't want to live in interesting times anymore.

They also used Claude in a fairly sophisticated way to design their missile guidance system (PDF, search for GTG-87001). https://www-cdn.anthropic.com/e50be2e51e7695dc4b1366a37a245a...

Makes me want to be a frontier model provider just to get the ring-side seat on what every bad actor in the world is doing.

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Post by tomjen3 »

khriss wrote: post #110

I wouldn't be surprised if this got downvoted off the front page in minutes, just like the other story about diesel being at all time highs. There is a well coordinated group here that seems unusually allergic to inconvenient truths.

It is also not really appropriate for HN.
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