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Houthis 'take control' of key island in global shipping route

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Re: Houthis 'take control' of key island in global shipping route

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Post by Art9681 »

markvdb wrote: post #55
littlecranky67 wrote: post #10

Will this bring oil prices down in Europe? Oil tankers could still go to the mediteranian via the suez canal. This will not help asia, but I can imagine if it is too dangerous the go through bab al-mandab strait it is more lucrative to sell the crude oil to europe at a discount?

No. A cynic might think a significant part of this half-arsed Iran war was: - make sure fuel prices increase globally - The US economy is relatively well-shielded from the fallout by its own fossil fuel sources, local and in colonies like Venezuela. - export more US fossil fuels, especially to Europe, at inflated prices. US insiders reap the profits. - further kneecap European competitiveness in energy intensive sect…

Realpolitik might just be the best way to do things after all.

Re: Houthis 'take control' of key island in global shipping route

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Post by meowface »

tovej wrote: post #72
wat10000 wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They always have. It's funny to see the evolution of language. Quotation marks indicated that something was a direct quote. Then people started to use them as a sarcasm indicator. Now we're to the point where people can't even recognize them as indicating a direct quote.

I think the parent was pointing out that Israel's or USA's claims are usually stated without quotes, such as: Israel invades Lebanon due to risk of Hezbollah attacks rather than: Israel says "risk of Hezbollah attacks" reason for invasion

I am not saying this is necessarily incorrect but is it empirically actually true. Have people compared lots of different articles.

Re: Houthis 'take control' of key island in global shipping route

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Post by talon8635 »

littlecranky67 wrote: post #10

Will this bring oil prices down in Europe? Oil tankers could still go to the mediteranian via the suez canal. This will not help asia, but I can imagine if it is too dangerous the go through bab al-mandab strait it is more lucrative to sell the crude oil to europe at a discount?

Aren’t these groups working with, no against, China?

And against, not with, Western Europe?

So being prices down where, in eastern Europe?

Re: Houthis 'take control' of key island in global shipping route

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Post by jcranmer »

littlecranky67 wrote: post #10

Will this bring oil prices down in Europe? Oil tankers could still go to the mediteranian via the suez canal. This will not help asia, but I can imagine if it is too dangerous the go through bab al-mandab strait it is more lucrative to sell the crude oil to europe at a discount?

VLCCs are too large to fit through the Suez Canal. I don't know how much of Saudi export is using VLCCs versus Suezmax or smaller tankers, but I've heard that much of the Red Sea oil export is currently going through Bab al-Mandab, not that I have a source on hand.

Re: Houthis 'take control' of key island in global shipping route

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Post by Art9681 »

discreteevent wrote: post #68
p-e-w wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then you probably believe that the US government only consists of the half dozen clowns you see on TV every day.

That's the point this time around. They went full authoritarian and purged all the competent people.

That's just the media noise. Yea there were purges. But its a big leap to go from "some" to "all" the best people. Government is the largest employer in the country. The nonsense you see constantly by politicians and other leaders is a tiny fraction of what the government workforce is. This is why despite the chaos you see in the media, life hasn't changed much for the great majority of people all things considered. The government remains functional where it needs to be.

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Post by postsantum »

noelsusman wrote: post #71
markvdb wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. A cynic might think a significant part of this half-arsed Iran war was: - make sure fuel prices increase globally - The US economy is relatively well-shielded from the fallout by its own fossil fuel sources, local and in colonies like Venezuela. - export more US fossil fuels, especially to Europe, at inflated prices. US insiders reap the profits. - further kneecap European competitiveness in energy intensive sect…

It's nice to think there was some sort of plan, but the truth is much scarier.

>some sort of plan

George Friedman, The Next Decade

Re: Houthis 'take control' of key island in global shipping route

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Post by blitzar »

frereubu wrote: post #86
tovej wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the parent was pointing out that Israel's or USA's claims are usually stated without quotes, such as: Israel invades Lebanon due to risk of Hezbollah attacks rather than: Israel says "risk of Hezbollah attacks" reason for invasion

Are there good examples of this from the BBC? Genuine question - no snark intended.

US insists Strait of Hormuz is open as it exchanges strikes with Iran - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj9gkpp0dkeo

Iran says Strait of Hormuz is 'open' but tracking shows few ships moving - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwydexp39ddo

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