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Re: Claude is only available to people over 18 years

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Post by skrebbel »

sam-cop-vimes wrote: post #185
embedding-shape wrote: post #33

Claude Executive: Damn, we hardly know who our users are, can't we just force them to say their full name or ban them? Claude Product Manager: No, that'll piss people off too much, and sadly we can't just ask for ID either... Claude Executive: There must be some way we can force people to link their government IDs with our platform so our analytics get better and more accurate? Claude Product Manager: We could limit…

This seems like a lazy snipe. They clearly state that they receive only an age verification result and none of the personal data. It would take collusion from both sides to silently enable transfer of user data while publicly stating that they don't. I have used these KYC services before. There is the option to get access to all user data - but unless there is evidence to the contrary, we have to take their word for…

No fucking way I’m sending my biometric data to some sleazy foreign company I know nothing about. The fact that “Yoti” is separate from Anthropic doesnt suddenly make this less gross.

Re: Claude is only available to people over 18 years

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Post by simoncion »

skybrian wrote: post #100
scronkfinkle wrote: post #47

I once heard someone suggest that this should be on the OS level and I'm slowly coming around to the idea. There should be some kind of OS level flag that can easily broadcast to products that a child is using the device. No ID verification required, the parent is responsible for setting it, and all downstream applications are regulated to respect it, If applicable to the product. This removes the incredibly invasive…

This is almost right, but it shouldn’t be “is a child using the device?” It should be “is this a child-locked device?” There should be a children’s Internet, just like there are children’s libraries, and child-locked devices should give access to it. Adults should be able to use the children’s Internet to see what’s there and children should be able to use the adult Internet when supervised by parents and teachers. T…

> It should be “is this a child-locked device?”

No, that leaves vulnerable adults unprotected. It should be "Is my thing in one of the categories of things that this device says this user is not permitted to do? If so, I shall not permit this user to do the thing.".

Nothing stops software authors from providing pre-built bundles of categories that they believe fit certain types of vulnerable people [0], but the fine-grained control must be there so that guardians can choose to set things up for those they guard so to adequately protect them while minimizing the amount of stuff that they're blocked from.

[0] Like: "Overly-trusting human who needs protection from scams", "Dementia-damaged adult who cannot be trusted to manage their finances", "Median sixteen year old USian", etc, etc.

Re: Claude is only available to people over 18 years

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Post by Iolaum »

miki123211 wrote: post #194
walrus01 wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you'd told me 15 years ago that people would be running freely-distributed software originating from research labs in China on computers self-hosted in their own house as an alternative to authoritarian overreach and control by the US in internet-based services, I'd have told you that you were smoking some good reefer. The irony is that the authoritarian control hasn't gone away in China either, if anything it's e…

I think self-hosting Chinese models is so popular precisely because China is so authoritarian . If China wants to sell Solar panels to Americans, they can just sell solar panels, the sun won't mind. If China wants to sell models to Americans... well, Americans don't want to send their data to China, so they can't just offer them as SaaS. They don't want to be left behind in the AI race either. The only option to capt…

Some US labs may become uncompetitive if they have the wrong business strategy, that doesn't mean every AI company will be. If one part of the stack gets commoditized, build your moat elsewhere.

Re: Claude is only available to people over 18 years

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Post by cyanydeez »

embedding-shape wrote: post #61
cyanydeez wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

none of this is about knowing their customer; I find is bizarre people think knowing a single boolean about 18 years of age provides anything they're not getting by finger printing your browser and sharing that fingerprint with an ad network. This is about reducing liability and making everyone else responsible for their inability to manage their community.

> I find is bizarre people think knowing a single boolean about 18 years of age provides anything You're hopelessly naive if you think this is all they get out of it.

you think knowing whether a user is 18 or older is more valuable than browser/cli/network finger prints?

Truly naive is the mirror you're looking into.

We agree these are useless contrivances, but positing constantly that "this is just some great surveillance game" as opposed to the offloading of government responsibilities to private industry in the hope of removing all social regulatory liabilities?

Naive is how you spell that.

Re: Claude is only available to people over 18 years

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Post by walrus01 »

miki123211 wrote: post #194
walrus01 wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you'd told me 15 years ago that people would be running freely-distributed software originating from research labs in China on computers self-hosted in their own house as an alternative to authoritarian overreach and control by the US in internet-based services, I'd have told you that you were smoking some good reefer. The irony is that the authoritarian control hasn't gone away in China either, if anything it's e…

I think self-hosting Chinese models is so popular precisely because China is so authoritarian . If China wants to sell Solar panels to Americans, they can just sell solar panels, the sun won't mind. If China wants to sell models to Americans... well, Americans don't want to send their data to China, so they can't just offer them as SaaS. They don't want to be left behind in the AI race either. The only option to capt…

I am not sure the comparison is exactly fitting... Specifically, solar panels in wholesale quantities have to come in 40' or 45' cargo containers by ocean from China and can be easily tariffed or blocked at the ports.

Releasing the weights of a software project on modelscope and huggingface and similar (and I'm sure they'd find a new way to distribute it for an English language audience if huggingface vanished tomorrow as well) is totally different, because there's no tangible hardware product involved.

Re: Claude is only available to people over 18 years

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Post by gsquaredxc »

bdangubic wrote: post #199
embedding-shape wrote: post #33

Claude Executive: Damn, we hardly know who our users are, can't we just force them to say their full name or ban them? Claude Product Manager: No, that'll piss people off too much, and sadly we can't just ask for ID either... Claude Executive: There must be some way we can force people to link their government IDs with our platform so our analytics get better and more accurate? Claude Product Manager: We could limit…

> Claude Executive: And we hardly have any users younger than 18 anyway, go for it! Every middle schooler in high schooler in America is snickering right now... :)

Even better: All of the under 18 users are probably on the free plan. It’s fairly likely that this demographic is disproportionately expensive.

Re: Claude is only available to people over 18 years

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Post by newswasboring »

miki123211 wrote: post #180
abirch wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would say misuse AI for mental health advice. It's already difficult to find good mental health professionals.

Unless you have Bill Gates money, you don't have access to a mental health professional (much less your mental health professional who knows your life situation) when a girlfriend dumps you over text at 1AM. And that's when you may need one most. People want to talk to their therapist after an argument with their husband or when their boss fires them, not Friday after next.

The need is not in question, the solution is. This annoying glaze machine is not it for mental health tasks.

Re: Claude is only available to people over 18 years

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Post by rottenface583 »

miki123211 wrote: post #180
abirch wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would say misuse AI for mental health advice. It's already difficult to find good mental health professionals.

Unless you have Bill Gates money, you don't have access to a mental health professional (much less your mental health professional who knows your life situation) when a girlfriend dumps you over text at 1AM. And that's when you may need one most. People want to talk to their therapist after an argument with their husband or when their boss fires them, not Friday after next.

In the olden days in these and other situations, you hit the bar, got shitfaced, told your lifes story to a bottle and maybe banged a geezer/cougar that happened to be there. Something like that.

Re: Claude is only available to people over 18 years

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Post by pendenthistory »

zoobab wrote: post #166

Vibecoding is harmful for kids, especially when they grow up. Well done Claude, will use Chinese models instead! And i won't give you my ID card.

Why would vibe coding be harmful? Nobody can know that. That's like saying compilers are harmful for kids in the 90s, they have to learn assembly or NOTHING.

Re: Claude is only available to people over 18 years

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Post by pllbnk »

afavour wrote: post #104
throwaw12 wrote: post #15

Good that we have Chinese models now, we can host anywhere and use as much as we like without age verification. Also, what's the reason banning minors? Is AI bad for mental health? If so, should companies also ban them to prevent burnout of their employees?

> Is AI bad for mental health? I think there’s reasonable evidence that when used incorrectly, yes. > If so, should companies also ban them to prevent burnout of their employees? It’s not that AI the concept is harmful, it’s using it to diagnose/treat personal problems, mental issues etc. Using it to crunch some data or write some code for you isn’t really the same. I also think there’s a meaningful difference using…

LLMs are the fast food for the brain. I don't know how they can be used correctly.
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