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The Waymo effect: how AI is quietly making research less collaborative

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Re: The Waymo effect: how AI is quietly making research less collaborative

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Post by varjag »

Frost1x wrote: post #32

I work at an intersection of tech, applied research, and science. Something I’ve noticed in collaboration that does occur is an increased confidence in people outside their domains to say things with conviction. I have people who have limited experience with software pushing out layers and layers of abstracted code that’s fairly sophisticated but often misguided in intent who will say what they’re doing is correct, w…

Yup, the arrogance when barging into unfamiliar domain that was previously reserved mainly to physics grads seems to have spread everywhere. I also had people opining on my expert area via their LLMs and the problem is they can't even ask the model the right question, let alone evaluate the nuance of their answer.

Re: The Waymo effect: how AI is quietly making research less collaborative

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Post by philipwhiuk »

ricardobayes wrote: post #38

How come self-driving came years before LLMs which seems to me an easier problem? Self-driving seems insanely hard compared to text generation.

There’s lots of ways of attacking the problem sufficiently to get to 95% and we’ve spent decades on object recognition

Re: The Waymo effect: how AI is quietly making research less collaborative

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Post by Tanjreeve »

mosura wrote: post #24
ozlikethewizard wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right all those people protesting outside data centres are bureaucrats? This is a ridiculous take, large swaths of the population are against AI, most people are concerned about resource use, their livelihoods, and a destruction of the human element in so many crafts.

> Right all those people protesting outside data centres are bureaucrats? Not what was claimed.

So just dismissal via association or what was your point?

Re: The Waymo effect: how AI is quietly making research less collaborative

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Post by ipsod »

ricardobayes wrote: post #38

How come self-driving came years before LLMs which seems to me an easier problem? Self-driving seems insanely hard compared to text generation.

Nobody knew that LLM's were an option. The architecture was basically waiting there for someone to say, "do that, but turn it up to 11," if I understand right.

Re: The Waymo effect: how AI is quietly making research less collaborative

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Post by pingou »

ricardobayes wrote: post #38

How come self-driving came years before LLMs which seems to me an easier problem? Self-driving seems insanely hard compared to text generation.

Why would self driving be easier? Good text generation implies some general level of intelligence, while driving is more specialized.

Re: The Waymo effect: how AI is quietly making research less collaborative

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Post by mosura »

Tanjreeve wrote: post #43
mosura wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Right all those people protesting outside data centres are bureaucrats? Not what was claimed.

So just dismissal via association or what was your point?

The absolute trolling that goes on here is related to the point.

You are entirely capable of checking what I wrote but insist on trying to drag this out with straw men and misinterpretations.

Of course people like you have a problem with AI since it will help everyone else move on and ignore you.

Re: The Waymo effect: how AI is quietly making research less collaborative

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Post by happytoexplain »

mobilejdral wrote: post #20
meowface wrote: post #4

This article is written by an LLM, by the way. ("Quietly" is... as Claude might put it... "often the quiet tell".)

This comment was perhaps written by an LLM that has learned it can karma farm by pointing out all of the articles that have LLM usage while everyone still thinks that is a novel contribution.

"Novel" is not a prerequisite for something to be worth pointing out. Lots of bad things happen repeatedly, and don't quickly become not worth caring about or knowing about. People have strong spirits and curious minds and it tends to take a long time to boil that frog out of them - generations, sometimes.

Re: The Waymo effect: how AI is quietly making research less collaborative

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Post by shawabawa3 »

ricardobayes wrote: post #38

How come self-driving came years before LLMs which seems to me an easier problem? Self-driving seems insanely hard compared to text generation.

> How come self-driving came years before LLMs

Did it? Outside of very limited testing zones, self driving _still_ doesn't really exist

Re: The Waymo effect: how AI is quietly making research less collaborative

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Post by 21asdffdsa12 »

Frost1x wrote: post #32

I work at an intersection of tech, applied research, and science. Something I’ve noticed in collaboration that does occur is an increased confidence in people outside their domains to say things with conviction. I have people who have limited experience with software pushing out layers and layers of abstracted code that’s fairly sophisticated but often misguided in intent who will say what they’re doing is correct, w…

We are going back to philosopher conversations. Just a few guys sitting on the stairs, with chalk, the street as their whiteboard, the jammer keeping the LLM-zombies away. After 2000 years, after the loudness makes right post-modern-pre-llm drivel of the frankfurter school- its a philosopher renaissance as resistance.
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