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The Waymo effect: how AI is quietly making research less collaborative

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Re: The Waymo effect: how AI is quietly making research less collaborative

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This comment was perhaps written by an LLM that has learned it can karma farm by pointing out all of the articles that have LLM usage while everyone still thinks that is a novel contribution.

People aren't treating it as a thoughtful contribution. It is more of a flag, like "spam".

HN already has a feature for that. Just flag the article!

Re: The Waymo effect: how AI is quietly making research less collaborative

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I work at an intersection of tech, applied research, and science.

Something I’ve noticed in collaboration that does occur is an increased confidence in people outside their domains to say things with conviction. I have people who have limited experience with software pushing out layers and layers of abstracted code that’s fairly sophisticated but often misguided in intent who will say what they’re doing is correct, with conviction.

I also hear a lot more questioning people in their domains and challenging opinions, then hearing what I can only imagine are fragmented pieces of conversations they had with an LLM thinking through some argument. Then there’s silence when you discuss shortcomings, then they come back later with their memorized fragments of what you said, combined with memorized fragments of the LLM response to the argument.

It’s occurring, a lot more. People are treating their LLMs in collaboration as a source of truth and using then to focus on their specific path or goals they think or have bias towards going down, vs just opening discussing things, considering tradeoffs from experts multiple disciplines weigh in on and then taking an approach that everyone finds most agreeable.

It’s making me want to be a lot less collaborative with such individuals. I don’t want to sit around and refute Claude text outputs all day.

Re: The Waymo effect: how AI is quietly making research less collaborative

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wut? AI do absolutely nothing in terms of "avoiding the negative side effects imposed on me by other people". Instead we are all having to deal with negative side effects of AI. AI is imposed on us, whether we want it or not. >which is why so many bureaucrats are so enthused about regulating it. Like, OpenAI and Antropic? Because these two are the primary entities a.) pushing for regulation of their competitors b.) d…

> AI do absolutely nothing in terms of "avoiding the negative side effects imposed on me by other people" Quite literally the subject of the article.

Article: someone enjoys being alone in the car, because they dont want to talk and find it impossible to be in the same space as other people without talking. And apparently end up arguing over radio each time they are on the 20min long car drive or something.

I think I would prefer to be alone rather with them too based on that.

Re: The Waymo effect: how AI is quietly making research less collaborative

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This article is written by an LLM, by the way. ("Quietly" is... as Claude might put it... "often the quiet tell".)

I wanted you to be wrong, and to be able to make this an example of us over-reacting to certain trigger words created by AI, but unfortunately I just scanned the first couple paragraphs with pangram and it reported 100% AI, so you're probably correct. I get a funny feeling in my stomach over the idea that common and effective means of communication (i.e. it's not X it's Y) have become faux pas to use because of AI. I…

That’s not common and effective, it’s buzz feed style articles.

Re: The Waymo effect: how AI is quietly making research less collaborative

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This article is written by an LLM, by the way. ("Quietly" is... as Claude might put it... "often the quiet tell".)

This comment was perhaps written by an LLM that has learned it can karma farm by pointing out all of the articles that have LLM usage while everyone still thinks that is a novel contribution.

If you check my comment history here, I have not written this before.

I like LLMs and use them daily, but I don't really like when people use them undisclosed for long-form prose writing.

Re: The Waymo effect: how AI is quietly making research less collaborative

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For software developers, the equivalent is writing software without beta testers. If you don’t seek out users, you will likely build something nobody else wants. And, that’s what I do. I’m retired and I use AI to build websites for myself. If anyone else ends up using it, that will be a happy side-effect. If we want to do collaboration, we are going to need to do it intentionally rather than relying on side effects l…

Counterpoint: most Open Source projects are (or started off as) programs people built for themselves, and anyone else ending up using them was a happy side-effect.

Re: The Waymo effect: how AI is quietly making research less collaborative

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> AI do absolutely nothing in terms of "avoiding the negative side effects imposed on me by other people" Quite literally the subject of the article.

Article: someone enjoys being alone in the car, because they dont want to talk and find it impossible to be in the same space as other people without talking. And apparently end up arguing over radio each time they are on the 20min long car drive or something. I think I would prefer to be alone rather with them too based on that.

So basically you don’t understand english and/or don’t have the life experience to understand the context of the article.

But you are very angry about it.

Being able to avoid people like you is the entire selling point. No wonder it annoys you.

Re: The Waymo effect: how AI is quietly making research less collaborative

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How come self-driving came years before LLMs which seems to me an easier problem? Self-driving seems insanely hard compared to text generation.

LLMs require massive datasets and massively parallel algorithms for processing them.
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