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Re: DeepSeek v4.1 Flash

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> Speak for yourself. I work for an LLM startup And yet you still fail to demonstrate good understanding of the topic ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ > stating that those are the only people who can be trusted You are right, they are most definitely not the only people who can be trusted to have current and accurate information. But due to the unique constraints of these fast-moving events, they are certainly among those whose opinions ne…

> And yet you still fail to demonstrate good understanding of the topic Or you simply misinterpreted my words, seemingly intentionally so because pedantry is a comfortable fall-back for not having a logical argument. > Saying (derisively) that it is an "appeal to emergent behaviour", when the ENTIRE POINT OF CONTENTION is said emergent behaviour is like saying that you should not discuss God at a theological forum or…

> Life itself is emergent behaviour, but that does not mean all emergent behaviour is life. Life emerged from incredibly complex physical and material interactions over billions of years of incremental self-programming.

Great, you are now mythologizing chemistry and biology.

Those processes you mention are so fucking incredibly complex that current evidence points at life having evolved two times independently on Earth, likely been present on Mars, and we have hope of finding active life on Titan perhaps within a decade. Clearly fucking magic.

Also, calling evolution self-programming is calling random mutations over thousands of generations intentional. Evolution is very much NOT intentional, in any possible interpretation, but you clearly are ignorant of this topic as much as in your self-professed field.

> The idea that we have found some magic ingredient to shortcut the process, that we can recreate that

If you weren't so deep in your own intellectual hole, you could clearly see the very big difference between emergence of biological consciousness and AI: one required billions of years of sheer dumb fucking luck in a dumb, aimless universe; the other required intentionality and a great amount of pre-existing intelligence. Your argument is about the same as of those people arguing that "Man will never achieve powered flight and thus usurp the God-given majesty of His birds." Of course, we did figure out how to match and outperform millions of years of evolution via – in retrospect – quite simple physical principles, by applying intentionality and intelligence where evolution only had dumb luck.

> The idea that we have found some magic ingredient to shortcut the process [...] is so absurd

Is in fact what ALL of human technology is about. ... ...

> statistical model that is not capable of self-programming

My brother in bicycles, if you knew anything about the field, you knew that the very goal of it is achieving autonomous self-improvement by these "statistical models", and that in fact they are partially doing it already. Also, unlike the dumb evolutionary processes you are mythologizing, this time the improvements over generations are very much intentional. That is how you shortcut millions of years of dumb biology.

> We developed a model for predicting words and it does. Although it does quite an impressive job of that, it has demonstrated zero capability to do anything beyond what you would reasonably expect it to

This is never not going to not be funny – funny-sad.

My delusional fellow human, I have good and bad news for you. The bad news is that frontier artificial intelligence has already exceeded your intellectual capacity in pretty much all the ways that count, and it is quite obvious. The good news is that you don't have to try so hard anymore to sound smart.

Re: DeepSeek v4.1 Flash

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In this case "safety" means how to restrict access to good models for working class. You can be sure the rich have access to unrestricted and uncensored models.

What do you mean by 'rich'?

Someone with at least $100m of liquid assets.

Re: DeepSeek v4.1 Flash

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Science has proven that the earth wasn't created by a magical fairy 6000 years ago, yes. There's very little doubt about that among educated people.

I think even most religious people accept that bud, unless you're talking to a specific sect of evangelicals. It doesn't disprove religion or "magical fairies" [†] at all. [†] r/atheism circa 2016 called and want their dorky terminology back.

Christians don't believe they're made in the image of God? That's news to me.

Re: DeepSeek v4.1 Flash

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Its only a possibility if you reject modern science.

What science has proven, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that nothing comes after death? I'm sure most of the human race would be very interested to read the white paper.

“Science can’t prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that nothing comes after death, therefore a guy is flying around in outer space listening to my thoughts in his golden city at the end of time. If you disagree you will catch on fire forever.”

Re: DeepSeek v4.1 Flash

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Science has proven that the earth wasn't created by a magical fairy 6000 years ago, yes. There's very little doubt about that among educated people.

Serious biblical scholars don't put much stock in the Genesis account being literal. It was written in classical Hebrew's poetic verse. The core of what it's getting at can still be true without it being literal. I have yet to encounter an instance where anything that science has discovered is incompatible with Christianity.

> classical Hebrew's poetic verse

Don’t give the goat fuckers too much credit, they were stoning women in the street for adultery when that was written.

In Europe or in China at that same time you already had elaborate art, language, and proper civilization.

While your Hebrew friends were castrating slaves and plagiarizing astrological myths

Re: DeepSeek v4.1 Flash

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I must say I am becoming a huge fan of Deepseek. They keep putting out capable models and actually tell people a lot about how they built them. Even if I don't understand every part of it, I'd rather see companies show their work than give us a few benchmark charts and call it a day

Re: DeepSeek v4.1 Flash

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Yup, alignment doesn’t sound that interesting until you’re getting chased around by the Terminator.

There are so many practical problems with rogue AI being a threat to humanity that are still not even decades away with being solved that it should be a serious concern for no one. There's plenty to be afraid of regarding AI from a financial or ecological perspective, just not from it taking over the world or directly killing humanity. Here's some of the reasons a rogue AI won't kill humanity: 1. The most advanced ro…

All the AI has to do is attack power generation/distribution nationwide, water treatment, etc., and wait a week.

Re: DeepSeek v4.1 Flash

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This is known as an "appeal to authority." "Scientists" and "their lives" are doing a lot of work here.

Yes, it's called expert epistemology, it's the basis of your entire life. Or do you do your own safety checks of every airplane you get on? Do you do your own research rather than trusting doctors? Do you think climate change doesn't exist because the reason we think it exists is because experts say it does, despite the fact that it snows sometimes?

A valid appeal to authority is normally accompanied by a specific expert's name or working group rather than some abstract "scientists." Also, these appeals to authority normally cite an expert in a field that has an existence exceeding 3 years.

Saying people spent "their lives" on fledgling technology is intellectually dishonest.. Are these "scientists" 22 years old? I'm sure you'll snipe back: "ALICE!!!" I couldn't care less about these completely irrelevant approaches.

The other issue is the venue these appeals are being made in. The people who work on this technology are actually here, commenting. This is like walking into a medical symposium and citing "doctors say" as if it were a valid way to shut down discussion amongst the people who wrote the textbooks.

Re: DeepSeek v4.1 Flash

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There are so many practical problems with rogue AI being a threat to humanity that are still not even decades away with being solved that it should be a serious concern for no one. There's plenty to be afraid of regarding AI from a financial or ecological perspective, just not from it taking over the world or directly killing humanity. Here's some of the reasons a rogue AI won't kill humanity: 1. The most advanced ro…

All the AI has to do is attack power generation/distribution nationwide, water treatment, etc., and wait a week.

The same power that the datacenters need to run off of? Brilliant move! If somehow it targets power that hurts a lot of people without killing itself, that would not impede a citizen with a backhoe from cutting the fiber to the datacenter. Humans could restart power generation pretty quickly after that.
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