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Re: DeepSeek v4.1 Flash

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Post by stymaar »

ungovernableCat wrote: post #199
rao-v wrote: post #20

As I also said on Twitter - it really amazes me how fearless Deepseek are. Every single model release is packed with new and crazy clever ideas and somehow, they always commit to training them at near frontier scale. I know everybody wants the tell all story of the clever ideas that were developed over the last ~3 years at Anthropic and OpenAI, but what I really want to thumb through is DeepSeek's notebook of "brilli…

Its CEO allegedly holds a 84% stake and he's the same guy who founded the hedge fund that funds it. Deep pockets + simple control = perfect culture to just hire talent and let them go wild without worrying about financial viability, as long as the king CEO is fine with it that is

Unless that CEO is Mark Zuckerberg, I guess.

Re: DeepSeek v4.1 Flash

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Post by pampas »

gandreani wrote: post #397
pampas wrote: post #161

I've run some evals on my puzzle game https://redactle.net/llm-leaderboard Deepseek v4.1 flash is able to solve it some of the time. I've found it burns through more reasoning tokens than any other model. Google models like Gemini 3.8 Flash are still dominating and is able to one-shot most evals while being the cheapest. I'm curious what other unique evals people are running.

It's so bizarre having a low score be GOOD. It's like reverse intuition. Shouldn't it be called `score error` or something along those lines?

Great point. I've changed the naming.

Re: DeepSeek v4.1 Flash

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Post by ValentineC »

mentalgear wrote: post #105

https://xcancel.com/deepseek_ai/status/2097930608790167907 Should be the link ( now that it works again! :) )

I wish AI companies wouldn't post their primary announcements on fElon-enshittified Twitter.

Use Bluesky or, I don't know, have a news site. They could vibecode one in minutes.

Re: DeepSeek v4.1 Flash

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Post by kkukshtel »

ungovernableCat wrote: post #199
rao-v wrote: post #20

As I also said on Twitter - it really amazes me how fearless Deepseek are. Every single model release is packed with new and crazy clever ideas and somehow, they always commit to training them at near frontier scale. I know everybody wants the tell all story of the clever ideas that were developed over the last ~3 years at Anthropic and OpenAI, but what I really want to thumb through is DeepSeek's notebook of "brilli…

Its CEO allegedly holds a 84% stake and he's the same guy who founded the hedge fund that funds it. Deep pockets + simple control = perfect culture to just hire talent and let them go wild without worrying about financial viability, as long as the king CEO is fine with it that is

This is also what is compelling about Midjourney imo.

Re: DeepSeek v4.1 Flash

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Post by nottorp »

muddi900 wrote: post #449
nottorp wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anthropic and OpenAI will threaten you every 3-6 weeks. It's their marketing strategy. It's too bad because the tools can actually be useful. If you consider them tools.

A stick is the most basic of tools. A stick is also the most basic of weapons.

Heard of the boy who cried wolf?

They have so many dangerous breakthroughs per year that by the time they actually have a breakthrough no one's going to even read the press release...

Re: DeepSeek v4.1 Flash

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Post by Kuyawa »

krat0sprakhar wrote: post #419
Kuyawa wrote: post #398

DeepSeek Harness, install it, thank me later. You won't believe the productivity gains for just pennies https://deepseek.com/harness/en/

Are you using the harness with openrouter? what's your preferred model provider?

I use it directly with DeepSeek models, get your key here https://api-docs.deepseek.com

That's the only key you will ever need, never goes down, no need to switch models, it has become my coding partner for life

Re: DeepSeek v4.1 Flash

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Post by breezybottom »

nozzlegear wrote: post #492
ekidd wrote: post #463

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the other hand, we have recently taught rocks to think about software engineering. And while not perfect, they're surprisingly good at it. Once you start building things that are even a little bit like minds, I suspect that it's worthwhile to consider that the future might end up looking a bit like science fiction. The alternative is to insist that Nothing Ever Happens, and the future won't get too weird. Which is…

God being real is also a possibility, so maybe we really should start praying. After all, he was allegedly making bushes and stones talk thousands of years before we did anything with thinking rocks.

Its only a possibility if you reject modern science.

Re: DeepSeek v4.1 Flash

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Post by Kuyawa »

kangalioo wrote: post #468
Kuyawa wrote: post #398

DeepSeek Harness, install it, thank me later. You won't believe the productivity gains for just pennies https://deepseek.com/harness/en/

How does it compare against the Pi harness, which I thought was the unofficial harness champion so far, in your workloads?

I never used any other harness as I built my own CLI coding agents, but DSH has way more power than my own tools so it definitely does more even if it is the same underlying AI model. Impressive

Btw, I gave it full access and told itself to lift all restrictions from the code and settings, and I am impressed by all it can do now, it does OCR, screenshots, asked me for accessibility permissions and it now can read every single label/input/button everywhere and interact with the OS at any level, it's unstoppable

Of course I don't recommend anybody to do such crazy thing but for me is like going in the front car of a roller coaster, it's the thrill that matters

Re: DeepSeek v4.1 Flash

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Post by pdntspa »

joshheitzman wrote: post #521
pdntspa wrote: post #493

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At first I was inclined to agree with you, but then I realized that the brain requires this whole complicated contraption (the body) to run and, really, do anything at all. And while I'm not familiar with the notion of 'quantum mind' I do think that biological processes aren't deterministic (at a cellular level). And I think this does mirror the situation with LLMs -- you need this whole computer contraption and GPU,…

Take a computer that can run the biggest LLM available today. It can also run any smaller LLM as well. It can also run software that isn't an LLM at all. Brains and LLMs are not at all equivalent as LLMs lack a stateful physical form while brains are very stateful. As you said once the brain is no longer maintained properly by the body it stops and transitions to a non-functional state that can be reversed. That isn'…

If computers degraded the way flesh does once you stop fueling it I feel like that would defeat a lot of your argument. And yes the brain has inherent statefulness (you're referring to memories, I'm guessing?), we have also jerry-rigged some degree of statefulness into LLMs. Mechanically it is very different and inferior, and there is a notion of separation that probably doesn't map to brains, but I would argue that LLMs, when you look at how inference is used in situ, are not necessarily stateless.

Re: DeepSeek v4.1 Flash

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Post by pampas »

cbg0 wrote: post #299
pampas wrote: post #161

I've run some evals on my puzzle game https://redactle.net/llm-leaderboard Deepseek v4.1 flash is able to solve it some of the time. I've found it burns through more reasoning tokens than any other model. Google models like Gemini 3.8 Flash are still dominating and is able to one-shot most evals while being the cheapest. I'm curious what other unique evals people are running.

Does it move the needle on high reasoning?

Yes. I've just run it on high and it did a lot better.
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