Rust is tier-1 language at Microsoft

Post by [deleted] » Fri, Sep 11, 2026, 9:09 AM UTC

eru wrote: post #357

tialaramex wrote: post #327

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> C++ is still indicated for systems that are optimizing for performance The only evidence I've seen for this is that people with a vested interest in my believing this keep saying it is true. That's the exact same evidence I have for Trump having triumphed in Iran. Do better if you want me to believe you. > since it intrinsically requires a lot of "unsafe" constructs. This is an excellent reason to choose Rust. The…

Tangent: your comment would have been stronger without the politics. Btw, Rust ain't the only vector here. With an LLM at your side, you can also write your performance and safety critical parts in Lean and prove them correct. Lean can compile to some pretty fast code. (Though it needs a bit more engineering work around eg SIMD to get really fast.)

Post by pjmlp » Fri, Sep 11, 2026, 9:21 AM UTC

tialaramex wrote: post #327

jandrewrogers wrote: post #296

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The recommendation is qualified for typical apps that do not have extreme performance or scale requirements. They use Java for many, many things. C++ is still indicated for systems that are optimizing for performance and scalability characteristics, since it intrinsically requires a lot of "unsafe" constructs.

> C++ is still indicated for systems that are optimizing for performance The only evidence I've seen for this is that people with a vested interest in my believing this keep saying it is true. That's the exact same evidence I have for Trump having triumphed in Iran. Do better if you want me to believe you. > since it intrinsically requires a lot of "unsafe" constructs. This is an excellent reason to choose Rust. The…

Post by pjmlp » Fri, Sep 11, 2026, 9:29 AM UTC

zamalek wrote: post #333

afdbcreid wrote: post #230

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Zig too. But this is far from being mainstream. Rust took around 5 years I think to become accepted in major companies, and those languages are harder to justify.

I've started distrusting anything good people have to say about Zig because of the wide variety of untrue claims made about it - unless those claims come from Andrew himself. Last time I was assured that compile-time memory guarantees were possible and were going to happen (they didn't: the recent announcement is runtime/debug assertions). Zig is still making massive breaking changes, and while that is not a bad thin…

Post by tcfhgj » Fri, Sep 11, 2026, 9:33 AM UTC

bluGill wrote: post #231

philwelch wrote: post #224

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Outlook and Teams are both web apps, or at least they were when I last used them. Even if you download the "native" app it's just Electron. I haven't had trouble using either of them on Linux.

Outlook is native. There is the new web version that it says don't use (yet)

Post by pjmlp » Fri, Sep 11, 2026, 9:36 AM UTC

isolay wrote: post #88

pdpi wrote: post #75

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There's two ways to approach this — build tooling for existing Rust developers to get them to adopt the Microsoft stack, or build tooling for existing Microsoft stack developers to get them to adopt Rust. I'd argue that the former is less important than the latter, and my understanding is that Visual Studio is still the IDE for Windows-centric development, so for those MS-first developers, Rust missing from VS means…

It would have to be the 2nd option. Who in their right mind would voluntarily choose Windows as their dev env? It will have to be those who are already there.