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Rust is tier-1 language at Microsoft
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Re: Rust is tier-1 language at Microsoft
#282I hope announcements like this show that Rust is not a fledgling little language that moves fast and breaks things anymore. It's a mature, serious competitor to well established languages like C++ and C#. This is particularly important when trying to compare the experience of using Rust to other languages in the "better C/C++" space like Zig and Odin -- these are much newer and have more rough edges than Rust.
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Re: Rust is tier-1 language at Microsoft
#283Good news they adopted Rust as Tier-1 language. I hope their Weather app stop consuming more than 1GB RAM https://www.notebookcheck.net/Windows-11-s-built-in-Weather-...
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Re: Rust is tier-1 language at Microsoft
#284Earlier quoted context omitted.
You want to be able to launch apps without unlocking your phone? Slippery slope.
Camera app does it.
Nope; the lockscreen camera is actually an entirely different app, or not-quite-app thing. (Note what happens when you open the camera roll in the lockscreen camera.)
Re: Rust is tier-1 language at Microsoft
#285Earlier quoted context omitted.
That is not "Microsoft goals", that is "one employee's LinkedIn comment of his personal goal".
It's less one guy's plan and more one Microsoft Research team's research goal to investigate technologies that might enable that in a few years. So probably more institutional support than just some guy, but less actually planning on succeeding in the full ambitious goal.
No, after this made some waves he or some other senior (I don't remember exactly) reported that this is not an official plan.
Re: Rust is tier-1 language at Microsoft
#286started learning rust using the rust programming language book last month!
Re: Rust is tier-1 language at Microsoft
#287Earlier quoted context omitted.
Rust 1.0 was in 2015. Most of these languages you're thinking of out of the Handmade Community didn't even start development until around the point Rust 1.0 shipped. In theory Odin 2027, the 1.0 release of Bill's Odin language, is scheduled for, as the name suggests, early 2027. Zig does not have an announced 1.0 schedule, and who knows for the other two famous Handmade languages. From the rash of "C++ successor" lan…
As an embedded dev, it still feels a decade away, at least. Rust is perfectly usable as a lang to make a little module that links into your main project as a .a file. But, as the language for your whole embedded codebase? Forget it. I have a litany of complaints including Cargo fuckery, ecosystem neglect, lack of first-party support, excessive code size, bad documentation, and bad IR that wastes stack by creating cop…
Rust is already used in production for embedded (although only here and there). Not all places are ready, but I don't believe it's a decade away anymore.
Re: Rust is tier-1 language at Microsoft
#288Those interested in this may find the following articles of interest: Microsoft goals [edit: err, Microsoft hiring manager vision-casting goal ] to convert 1 billion lines of code to rust by 2030 via automated tooling enabling "1 engineer, 1 month, 1 million lines of code": https://thenewstack.io/microsofts-bold-goal-replace-1b-lines... DARPA work towards automating converting C code to Rust using a mix of 6 differen…
These kinds of sanitized corporate, feel-good articles are anything but interesting.
A disgruntled former Azure employee posting what a clusterfuck their SW, including their Rust effort is? That’s both rare and interesting.
Re: Rust is tier-1 language at Microsoft
#289I hope announcements like this show that Rust is not a fledgling little language that moves fast and breaks things anymore. It's a mature, serious competitor to well established languages like C++ and C#. This is particularly important when trying to compare the experience of using Rust to other languages in the "better C/C++" space like Zig and Odin -- these are much newer and have more rough edges than Rust.
Indeed, unless you're using Safari, you're almost certainly using Rust code to read this webpage.
Allegedly, there is Rust in macOS (but maybe not in iOS), so maybe it's true even if you're using Safari.