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Rust is tier-1 language at Microsoft

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Re: Rust is tier-1 language at Microsoft

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Post by throwaway85825 »

Verdex wrote: post #50
meerita wrote: post #16

Good news they adopted Rust as Tier-1 language. I hope their Weather app stop consuming more than 1GB RAM https://www.notebookcheck.net/Windows-11-s-built-in-Weather-...

I feel like the weather app makes a lot of sense from a corporate politics point of view. A 1mb weather app would have a significantly less impressive pie chart associated with it come "here are our improvements" presentation. Also if times get tough and you're told to reduce headcount by 10%, who do you want to get rid of. Sally who knows the USB driver end to end or Todd who wrote the bloated 1gb weather app. (Don'…

Based on windows bloat Sally got fired because she was an old timer and cost to much so all the Sally's are gone and they're all Todd's now and windows is an unstable bloated mess.

Re: Rust is tier-1 language at Microsoft

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Post by minimaxir »

axus wrote: post #139

I love how World of Warcraft "gear tier" jargon has expanded into the rest of the world. Pre-Y2K, the pseudo-formal usage of "tier-N" wasn't widespread in the US.

In World of Warcraft, gear tier is an ordinal representing the raid tier the gear was made accessible in, not an indication of its importance/power.

Re: Rust is tier-1 language at Microsoft

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Post by [deleted] »

bluGill wrote: post #116
bryanlarsen wrote: post #77

This is from rustconf. A lot of the focus at Rustconf this year has been C++ interop, Python Interop, Javascript interop -- it's no longer about "rewrite it in rust", it's about being part of the ecosystem.

Good. As a C+++ programmer Rust has some things that intrigue me. However I have no desire to rewrite everything in rust and so interoperability has been what is holding me back. We rewrote everything a few years back, completing in 2014 (Rust 1.0 came in 2015) - it costs nearly a billion dollars! I cannot in good conscience go back to management and ask for another billion dollars to rewrite again (Rust might be mor…

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Re: Rust is tier-1 language at Microsoft

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Post by dismalaf »

isolay wrote: post #91
meerita wrote: post #16

Good news they adopted Rust as Tier-1 language. I hope their Weather app stop consuming more than 1GB RAM https://www.notebookcheck.net/Windows-11-s-built-in-Weather-...

Whether vibecoded Rust will be better than whatever they are doing now remains to be seen.

Instead of leaking memory it'll just clone the whole heap over and over.

Re: Rust is tier-1 language at Microsoft

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Post by foolswisdom »

eterm wrote: post #156
estebank wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A headwind makes it harder to advance in the direction you're going. I think you might have meant to say "there is a strong tailwind towards memory safety".

You're right, I better do a 360 on my comment ;)

A 180 might be more useful :)

Re: Rust is tier-1 language at Microsoft

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Post by ben-schaaf »

JoshTriplett wrote: post #146
mr_00ff00 wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The question in terms of memory is, will vibe coded rust get around ownership issues by .clone()-ing everything. Maybe this has changed since I wrote Rust, but that was a classic beginner fix. Just throw memory at it.

https://github.com/luser/keep-calm-and-call-clone "Keep calm and call clone" is a good strategy for getting things working. Don't prematurely optimize code until you know it's the bottleneck.

There's premature optimisation, where you write a whole bunch of complicated code to avoid cloning an Arc. And then there's "premature optimisation" where you skip any consideration for performance until it becomes a problem.

The latter is usually what people who use the quote "premature optimisation is the root of all evil" think it means. Don't just keep calm and clone, consider what you're cloning and why, and then hopefully we won't end up with even more horribly slow software.

Re: Rust is tier-1 language at Microsoft

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Post by throwaway85825 »

disgruntledphd2 wrote: post #115
bluGill wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most people don't have a choice. Corporate IT has choosen what I run my machine on. I have used a native linux machine, but since my email is still on outlook, everybody uses teams, and all the non-code documents are on windows I end up having to have a windows machine. Linux in a VM under windows ends up being the easiest workflow (though I'm just starting to try WSL and so far it is looking good)

> (though I'm just starting to try WSL and so far it is looking good) WSL is really nice, as is Windows Terminal. I particularly love its fonts (but that's probably just me).

Did they ever fix terminal performance?
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