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Tell HN: OpenAI keeps re-enabling the 'allow training' setting

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Re: Tell HN: OpenAI keeps re-enabling the 'allow training' setting

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Post by jacquesm »

jacobgold wrote: post #70

If you have more than one account, you should suspect this was your own confusion. Users constantly report errors like this that are really just them being confused by something, perhaps a bad UI that really is to blame.

What a lot of assumptions. Other people here are experiencing the same thing, and other people are not experiencing the same thing. Hence the way my original bit was worded, I am not saying it happens for everybody, I am just saying this happened to me. Whatever circumstances bring this about it is at minimum a bug and quite possibly malice.

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI keeps re-enabling the 'allow training' setting

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Post by duozerk »

Gander5739 wrote: post #96
pavel_lishin wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Ignoring the checkbox is an utterly offensive move, but repeatedly manipulating it contrary to stated consumer intent is a whole other level. I'm not sure why the second one is worse than the first one.

Wall, you can't tell if they're ignoring it, but it's fairly easy to show they're manipulating it. So a cut-and-dry demonstration is worse than a strong suspicion.

One has to remember they're crooks through and through. They're doing it by retoggling the checkbox because it offers them plausible deniability.

"Oh, side effect of a recent update, silly us, we'll improve QA, sorry !".

Or "once again our all-powerful models got away from us ! they did it themselves, the little scamps".

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI keeps re-enabling the 'allow training' setting

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Post by jacquesm »

quikoa wrote: post #114
ActionHank wrote: post #15

Lol, "Outrageous that the company that chose to ignore copyright holder claims, chose to ignore my checkbox of intent despite the implied pinky promise".

Exactly, they scrape the internet without any regard for copyright and now someone is surprised it happens to them. What's next, subscribers believe they are paying customers instead of sponsored data providers?

Yes, blame the users.

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI keeps re-enabling the 'allow training' setting

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Post by innocent_name »

innocent_name wrote: post #92
ALLTaken wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Levent Alpöge 'additionally' proved OpenAI steals your findings & IP and plays dirty! Ironically he proved two major findings in Navier Strokes and that unethical American companies violate laws, steal your breakthrough findings & IP and then threaten you if you dare to challenge them. This is making the status-quo so bad for any of us working on serious capacity. My client's don't trust ChatGPT/Claude anymore and pr…

I do trust Anthropic, i haven't observed them doing super shady stuff like hiding the training consent page and making you WAIT for it to activate.

Let's not down vote a factually correct comment that makes you emotionally disagree with me. I'm very concerned in regards to my privacy, I've studied ToS of: Openrouter, Anthropic, Anthropic business, opencode Go etc. I've double checked my understandings by GDPR exporting all my data. Anthropic sub listed a generic "logged in from Linux", "UA", "timestamp", "Country". That's it.

I want to discuss actual facts, observations and not your shallow social signaling replies of 0 value.

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI keeps re-enabling the 'allow training' setting

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Post by tyfon »

cbg0 wrote: post #14

I've disabled the checkbox many months ago and it's still disabled today. EU citizen, not sure if that's relevant.

Same for me, I disabled it like 2 years ago and it is still not enabled. Location: Norway (which is for data control purposes = EU)

Edit: I have a pro subscription now but it has also been on a free tier level for perhaps 1.5 of these years.

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI keeps re-enabling the 'allow training' setting

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Post by infamouscow »

jacquesm wrote: post #133
quikoa wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly, they scrape the internet without any regard for copyright and now someone is surprised it happens to them. What's next, subscribers believe they are paying customers instead of sponsored data providers?

Yes, blame the users.

Up until ~1800, the way societies handled this kind of depravity was to hit the bad actors with sticks or rocks until their skull opened up so the evil spirits could leave their bodies.

It's unfortunate that most societies have outlawed this practice. I'm certain if that were in place today, we wouldn't have this problem.

I've yet to hear any alternative solution that's as effective.

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI keeps re-enabling the 'allow training' setting

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Post by Gander5739 »

duozerk wrote: post #132
Gander5739 wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wall, you can't tell if they're ignoring it, but it's fairly easy to show they're manipulating it. So a cut-and-dry demonstration is worse than a strong suspicion.

One has to remember they're crooks through and through. They're doing it by retoggling the checkbox because it offers them plausible deniability. "Oh, side effect of a recent update, silly us, we'll improve QA, sorry !". Or "once again our all-powerful models got away from us ! they did it themselves, the little scamps".

Sounds more like implausible deniability.
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