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Tell HN: OpenAI keeps re-enabling the 'allow training' setting

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Re: Tell HN: OpenAI keeps re-enabling the 'allow training' setting

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The vast majority of OpenAI users don’t follow the industry drama and have no idea how terrible the company is. They’ve been really good at getting good press coverage, with journalists who will repeat the company narrative. Even when critical it is very often framed within the narrative they established

what makes the company so terrible?

Autonomous killing machines and mass surveillance.

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI keeps re-enabling the 'allow training' setting

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post #9

Based on their behavior over the past few years, why would you assume that checkbox even does anything at all?

Levent Alpöge 'additionally' proved OpenAI steals your findings & IP and plays dirty! Ironically he proved two major findings in Navier Strokes and that unethical American companies violate laws, steal your breakthrough findings & IP and then threaten you if you dare to challenge them. This is making the status-quo so bad for any of us working on serious capacity. My client's don't trust ChatGPT/Claude anymore and pr…

I take it you are referring to this[1], which has nothing to do with training.

1. https://thenextweb.com/news/bubeck-navier-stokes-account-apo...

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI keeps re-enabling the 'allow training' setting

#113

It really is going to get to the point where mathematicians are going to start inserting obvious "tells" in their proofs - like map makers used to do with "trap streets" and similar non-existent features, to catch copies.-

Do you think the training process will retain these artifacts? I doubt it. If they were simply stealing the content - sure it would make sense - but I suspect they’re feeding it into training data and RL might distill these out.

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI keeps re-enabling the 'allow training' setting

#114

Lol, "Outrageous that the company that chose to ignore copyright holder claims, chose to ignore my checkbox of intent despite the implied pinky promise".

Exactly, they scrape the internet without any regard for copyright and now someone is surprised it happens to them.

What's next, subscribers believe they are paying customers instead of sponsored data providers?

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI keeps re-enabling the 'allow training' setting

#115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Levent Alpöge 'additionally' proved OpenAI steals your findings & IP and plays dirty! Ironically he proved two major findings in Navier Strokes and that unethical American companies violate laws, steal your breakthrough findings & IP and then threaten you if you dare to challenge them. This is making the status-quo so bad for any of us working on serious capacity. My client's don't trust ChatGPT/Claude anymore and pr…

I do trust Anthropic, i haven't observed them doing super shady stuff like hiding the training consent page and making you WAIT for it to activate.

You mean the company which trained on others books, won't train on its own user generated data?

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI keeps re-enabling the 'allow training' setting

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post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do trust Anthropic, i haven't observed them doing super shady stuff like hiding the training consent page and making you WAIT for it to activate.

I mean weren't everyones privately shared chats Google searchable?

User doesn't understand how public links indexing works.

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI keeps re-enabling the 'allow training' setting

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post #61
post #14

I've disabled the checkbox many months ago and it's still disabled today. EU citizen, not sure if that's relevant.

For me, "Improve the model for everyone" was "On", although I disabled a similar-sounding checkbox in the past (Germany).

Is there a description of what "Improve the model for everyone" actually means or is it just a straight up *Dark* pattern?

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI keeps re-enabling the 'allow training' setting

#119
post #9

Based on their behavior over the past few years, why would you assume that checkbox even does anything at all?

Levent Alpöge 'additionally' proved OpenAI steals your findings & IP and plays dirty! Ironically he proved two major findings in Navier Strokes and that unethical American companies violate laws, steal your breakthrough findings & IP and then threaten you if you dare to challenge them. This is making the status-quo so bad for any of us working on serious capacity. My client's don't trust ChatGPT/Claude anymore and pr…

There is nothing even close to a proof. A lot of accusations, a lot of people ready with pitchforks and torches (sadly, also here on HN), but not a lot of facts.

Did the researches opt out from data sharing on subsidised subs?

Did anyone prove that their methods enabled OpenAI models to produce the solution?

For a discussion about science, there is almost no scientifical method applied to proving anyone stole anything.

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI keeps re-enabling the 'allow training' setting

#120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do trust Anthropic, i haven't observed them doing super shady stuff like hiding the training consent page and making you WAIT for it to activate.

You really shouldn't trust any company. Their goal is maximizing profit and that is (usually) not aligned with "doing what's right". Not in the long-term at least.

We really need a new Hanlon's razor for companies. Assume malice over ignorance because groups behave differently than individuals.
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