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Tell HN: OpenAI keeps re-enabling the 'allow training' setting
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#22Turn on "Advanced Account Security", that prevents model training from being turned on.
Where does it say that? https://chatgpt.com/#settings/Security merely says
Adds the highest level of account security by requiring stronger sign-in methods and applying stricter protections to help prevent unauthorized access.
That is not about model training.
Re: Tell HN: OpenAI keeps re-enabling the 'allow training' setting
#23It won’t be an option soon enough. I doubt they even honour it now anyway.
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#24Based on their behavior over the past few years, why would you assume that checkbox even does anything at all?
The vast majority of OpenAI users don’t follow the industry drama and have no idea how terrible the company is. They’ve been really good at getting good press coverage, with journalists who will repeat the company narrative. Even when critical it is very often framed within the narrative they established
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#25My cynicism fails me on this matter... do I cynically believe that these companies keep deliberately and routinely re- or un-checking these checkboxes because of the obvious benefits of "whoopsie guess you allowed these after all"? Or do I cynically believe that they are just so completely incompetent and inept at the simple act of maintaining settings that there may be a number of these that are not entirely intenti…
Yeah this could just be some vibeslop doing normal computer stuff. AI agents are famously incompetent at reasoning about database transactions. This seems like the sort of failure you get when you try to do distributed systems without knowing how--brings us back to the early mongodb days. Or it could be deliberate. Or, as you say, both.
Either way, is this a company you want to trust with intimate secrets? "Oh, but they passed SOC2!" Lol.
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#26> Make sure you check this thing to see if it hasn't been re-enabled if you believe it to be off right now. Or simply switch to a competitor. Assuming this is not just a bug, why would one stand for such disrespectful and sneaky behavior? FWIW, I have not seen this happen for me.
what competitor? the x20 Max plan for Claude gives you way lover limits.
Bedrock is an option. Multiple platforms with solid data sovereignty.
If you don't want them slurping your data, you're gonna have to pay more.
Same as it ever was.
Re: Tell HN: OpenAI keeps re-enabling the 'allow training' setting
#27My cynicism fails me on this matter... do I cynically believe that these companies keep deliberately and routinely re- or un-checking these checkboxes because of the obvious benefits of "whoopsie guess you allowed these after all"? Or do I cynically believe that they are just so completely incompetent and inept at the simple act of maintaining settings that there may be a number of these that are not entirely intenti…
“Autoplay” and YouTube case in point:
- Autoplay transitioned to a per-device setting… suddenly default-on on every new device you log in to.
- Watching a video with computer-to-TV account connection? Automatic “TV queue,” a concept absent from the TV app, with incomprehensible behavior for how it’s used, so now videos are auto-played anyway.
- Watching a video from a playlist? Autoplay cannot be turned off.
Is it simply bad/absent product management and product design? Or is it actively user-hostile decisions meant to prop up view numbers and continue to have the users hooked on YouTube?
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#28> Make sure you check this thing to see if it hasn't been re-enabled if you believe it to be off right now. Or simply switch to a competitor. Assuming this is not just a bug, why would one stand for such disrespectful and sneaky behavior? FWIW, I have not seen this happen for me.
what competitor? the x20 Max plan for Claude gives you way lover limits.
Well, it’s a tradeoff. What do you prefer? To go with the service provider known to be shady but gives you lots of free stuff or the one that might be less shady and gives you less free stuff?
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#29Based on their behavior over the past few years, why would you assume that checkbox even does anything at all?
While that is true, you also have no reason to assume OP is being truthful or correct here given that they have shown 0 proof of what they're saying. Yes, you can then pile on "OF COURSE ITS OPENAI LOL YOU THINK THEY CARE ABOUT PRIVACY LOL" but where have we established OP's premise is even correct? Can anyone else also report this? So is it just OpenAI specifically messing with OP?
Re: Tell HN: OpenAI keeps re-enabling the 'allow training' setting
#30> Make sure you check this thing to see if it hasn't been re-enabled if you believe it to be off right now. Or simply switch to a competitor. Assuming this is not just a bug, why would one stand for such disrespectful and sneaky behavior? FWIW, I have not seen this happen for me.
And don't switch to Misanthropic lol. They are even worst...
Has Anthropic been found re-enabling that checkbox? I cannot find anything on that topic