But of course they claim theres no way they used Buckmaster's chats to influence their 10,000 agent swarm.
Tell HN: OpenAI keeps re-enabling the 'allow training' setting
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Re: Tell HN: OpenAI keeps re-enabling the 'allow training' setting
#92Based on their behavior over the past few years, why would you assume that checkbox even does anything at all?
Levent Alpöge 'additionally' proved OpenAI steals your findings & IP and plays dirty! Ironically he proved two major findings in Navier Strokes and that unethical American companies violate laws, steal your breakthrough findings & IP and then threaten you if you dare to challenge them. This is making the status-quo so bad for any of us working on serious capacity. My client's don't trust ChatGPT/Claude anymore and pr…
I do trust Anthropic, i haven't observed them doing super shady stuff like hiding the training consent page and making you WAIT for it to activate.
Re: Tell HN: OpenAI keeps re-enabling the 'allow training' setting
#93Based on their behavior over the past few years, why would you assume that checkbox even does anything at all?
Levent Alpöge 'additionally' proved OpenAI steals your findings & IP and plays dirty! Ironically he proved two major findings in Navier Strokes and that unethical American companies violate laws, steal your breakthrough findings & IP and then threaten you if you dare to challenge them. This is making the status-quo so bad for any of us working on serious capacity. My client's don't trust ChatGPT/Claude anymore and pr…
ah a proof by counterexample
Re: Tell HN: OpenAI keeps re-enabling the 'allow training' setting
#94Thought I was going crazy, glad to know I wasn't the only one.
Re: Tell HN: OpenAI keeps re-enabling the 'allow training' setting
#95Note: Turning off that checkbox is not enough. You also need to fill out the "Do not train on my content" request here: https://privacy.openai.com/policies?modal=take-control
Either one will opt you out, you don't need both. https://x.com/thsottiaux/status/2097746417012166816
allegedly.
Re: Tell HN: OpenAI keeps re-enabling the 'allow training' setting
#96Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ignoring the checkbox is an utterly offensive move, but repeatedly manipulating it contrary to stated consumer intent is a whole other level. I didn't know we were supposed to take 'frontier' literally in every sense of the word. I have now witnessed this myself after not believing this at first. Of course, screenshots etc. will hardly prove anything. This needs a proper third-party audit!
> Ignoring the checkbox is an utterly offensive move, but repeatedly manipulating it contrary to stated consumer intent is a whole other level. I'm not sure why the second one is worse than the first one.
Wall, you can't tell if they're ignoring it, but it's fairly easy to show they're manipulating it. So a cut-and-dry demonstration is worse than a strong suspicion.
Re: Tell HN: OpenAI keeps re-enabling the 'allow training' setting
#97Earlier quoted context omitted.
what makes the company so terrible?
IDK about "terrible," but: - OpenAI is the first AI lab to pioneer ads in consumer AI - Anthropic seemingly exists primarily because top OpenAI researchers lost faith in the company's commitment to AI safety - They had the CEO drama in 2023, with evidence that suggests people in a position to know were doubtful of Sam Altman's honesty and motives - They were tripping over themselves to kiss the ring after Anthropic g…
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Re: Tell HN: OpenAI keeps re-enabling the 'allow training' setting
#98Just stop using AI.
Re: Tell HN: OpenAI keeps re-enabling the 'allow training' setting
#99Lol, "Outrageous that the company that chose to ignore copyright holder claims, chose to ignore my checkbox of intent despite the implied pinky promise".
If you break enough laws fast enough, you can become so big that nobody will punish you for national security reasons.
Re: Tell HN: OpenAI keeps re-enabling the 'allow training' setting
#100Based on their behavior over the past few years, why would you assume that checkbox even does anything at all?
The vast majority of OpenAI users don’t follow the industry drama and have no idea how terrible the company is. They’ve been really good at getting good press coverage, with journalists who will repeat the company narrative. Even when critical it is very often framed within the narrative they established
> They’ve been really good at getting good press coverage
Same holds for most big corps from what I can tell. If you really do a deep dive into the scandals over the years, you’ll probably see most have barely reached the news or if they did then it’s usually a quite bland criticism like “anti-competitive practices” or a poor HVAC at a certain factory. I think a lot more is hidden than we think