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Tell HN: OpenAI keeps re-enabling the 'allow training' setting
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Re: Tell HN: OpenAI keeps re-enabling the 'allow training' setting
#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ignoring the checkbox is an utterly offensive move, but repeatedly manipulating it contrary to stated consumer intent is a whole other level. I didn't know we were supposed to take 'frontier' literally in every sense of the word. I have now witnessed this myself after not believing this at first. Of course, screenshots etc. will hardly prove anything. This needs a proper third-party audit!
Oh they aren't a frontier on this. Undoing user configuration is well tested in Windows land.
This is a problem everywhere, Apple does the same thing on MacOS by reverting privacy/security grants to apps
Re: Tell HN: OpenAI keeps re-enabling the 'allow training' setting
#83I also noticed this on 2 accounts - did not take as careful notes as you did unfortunately. But I'm fairly confident - both of these are accounts where I care about the interactions not being used for training.
What's kind of still an open question for me is if the toggle automatically also applies to my Codex CLI use on the same account, or if that data is still silently being used in some way.
After this happened, I deleted all my ChatGPT history (even though I'm not sure how much it helps at this point), but for Codex I still haven't really found any way to do the same, I can still load my past sessions even after archiving them.
Re: Tell HN: OpenAI keeps re-enabling the 'allow training' setting
#84Note: Turning off that checkbox is not enough. You also need to fill out the "Do not train on my content" request here: https://privacy.openai.com/policies?modal=take-control
Either one will opt you out, you don't need both. https://x.com/thsottiaux/status/2097746417012166816
Will it? The opt-out form page specifically says it is a request, and clearly they don’t care about the in app toggle if they keep resetting it
Re: Tell HN: OpenAI keeps re-enabling the 'allow training' setting
#85I disabled it once, it has always stayed disabled. So it may or may not happen regularly, but I would not over-index on a sample size of one.
Same here.
Re: Tell HN: OpenAI keeps re-enabling the 'allow training' setting
#86Re: Tell HN: OpenAI keeps re-enabling the 'allow training' setting
#87Turn on "Advanced Account Security", that prevents model training from being turned on.
Where does it say that? https://chatgpt.com/#settings/Security merely says Adds the highest level of account security by requiring stronger sign-in methods and applying stricter protections to help prevent unauthorized access. That is not about model training.
It prevents unauthorized access from OpenAI’s model training.
Re: Tell HN: OpenAI keeps re-enabling the 'allow training' setting
#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
what makes the company so terrible?
IDK about "terrible," but: - OpenAI is the first AI lab to pioneer ads in consumer AI - Anthropic seemingly exists primarily because top OpenAI researchers lost faith in the company's commitment to AI safety - They had the CEO drama in 2023, with evidence that suggests people in a position to know were doubtful of Sam Altman's honesty and motives - They were tripping over themselves to kiss the ring after Anthropic g…
Don't forget the not-actually-Open-no-longer-a-non-profit history
Re: Tell HN: OpenAI keeps re-enabling the 'allow training' setting
#89I've disabled the checkbox many months ago and it's still disabled today. EU citizen, not sure if that's relevant.
What makes you think the company that pirated a big portion of all copyrighted work will care about this checkbox?
At best they’ll “anonymize” the data before adding it to the corpus.
Re: Tell HN: OpenAI keeps re-enabling the 'allow training' setting
#90Interesting; I checked my personal acct setting this morning given other news, and found it disabled.
I hadn't used my chatgpt account since ~'23 or earlier, and it was retained since then.