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Tell HN: OpenAI keeps re-enabling the 'allow training' setting

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Re: Tell HN: OpenAI keeps re-enabling the 'allow training' setting

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Post by lxgr »

ALLTaken wrote: post #20
sunaurus wrote: post #9

Based on their behavior over the past few years, why would you assume that checkbox even does anything at all?

Levent Alpöge 'additionally' proved OpenAI steals your findings & IP and plays dirty! Ironically he proved two major findings in Navier Strokes and that unethical American companies violate laws, steal your breakthrough findings & IP and then threaten you if you dare to challenge them. This is making the status-quo so bad for any of us working on serious capacity. My client's don't trust ChatGPT/Claude anymore and pr…

Did they do so by looking at inference prompts against their explicit promises, or maybe just because somebody tipped them off about his unpublished work?

If it's not the former, while certainly concerning, I don't see how that's relevant here (other than maybe in a very vague general sense of "entities doing immoral/illegal thing X are likely to also do immoral/illegal thing Y").

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI keeps re-enabling the 'allow training' setting

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Post by simonw »

Is this about the "improve the model for everyone" checkbox on https://chatgpt.com/#settings/DataControls or are there others to check, too?

(That copy is a little flawed in my opinion, I'd prefer "models" plural.)

That checkbox is in the ChatGPT settings, does it affect Codex desktop / Codex CLI as well?

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI keeps re-enabling the 'allow training' setting

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Post by teej »

qurren wrote: post #69

Note: Turning off that checkbox is not enough. You also need to fill out the "Do not train on my content" request here: https://privacy.openai.com/policies?modal=take-control

Either one will opt you out, you don't need both.

https://x.com/thsottiaux/status/2097746417012166816

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI keeps re-enabling the 'allow training' setting

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Post by Centigonal »

spongebobstoes wrote: post #37
dgellow wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The vast majority of OpenAI users don’t follow the industry drama and have no idea how terrible the company is. They’ve been really good at getting good press coverage, with journalists who will repeat the company narrative. Even when critical it is very often framed within the narrative they established

what makes the company so terrible?

IDK about "terrible," but:

- OpenAI is the first AI lab to pioneer ads in consumer AI

- Anthropic seemingly exists primarily because top OpenAI researchers lost faith in the company's commitment to AI safety

- They had the CEO drama in 2023, with evidence that suggests people in a position to know were doubtful of Sam Altman's honesty and motives

- They were tripping over themselves to kiss the ring after Anthropic got in a row with the Department of War over using AI for autonomous killing systems and surveillance of US citizens

- Altman's record (YC, Loopt, WorldCoin) and associates suggests he subscribes to the Paypal-Facebook "move fast, break things, find and exploit gray areas" school of company building

All of this suggests that OpenAI will optimize its own growth and power over consumer welfare or societal stability in the future (obviously, companies aren't a monolith and I'd love to be wrong).

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI keeps re-enabling the 'allow training' setting

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Post by gspr »

achrono wrote: post #48
ActionHank wrote: post #15

Lol, "Outrageous that the company that chose to ignore copyright holder claims, chose to ignore my checkbox of intent despite the implied pinky promise".

Ignoring the checkbox is an utterly offensive move, but repeatedly manipulating it contrary to stated consumer intent is a whole other level. I didn't know we were supposed to take 'frontier' literally in every sense of the word. I have now witnessed this myself after not believing this at first. Of course, screenshots etc. will hardly prove anything. This needs a proper third-party audit!

You know what they'll say in their defense. "This is an extremely complicated systems, and we apologize that a technical solution was broken in an intricate way. [Insert boilerplate about taking privacy seriously here]"

These companies need to burn.

Re: Tell HN: OpenAI keeps re-enabling the 'allow training' setting

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Post by DrammBA »

andsoitis wrote: post #44
cute_boi wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And don't switch to Misanthropic lol. They are even worst...

> Misanthropic lol. This approach of misnaming a company to try make a point is childish and, frankly, perplexing to me. > They are even worst Learn to write proper English.

> Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes.

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