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I’ve been on a sabbatical for 99% of this year, small pockets of time spent doing some maintenance for clients I love. I bought a seriously derelict property in country Australia and am having a good time slowly fixing it up. I’ll get back to programming next year, hopefully the blow-ins have moved on to the next hype cycle by that time.

Hey great for you! I've been on a 3 year sabbatical, and I spend most summers in the countryside with my kids, grilling meat, planting berries, going in nature for hours-long walks. It's really a great life ain't it? So you're planning to go back for work? I'm unfortunately on my last 12-months or so of runway so time to figure out stuff.

>It's really a great life ain't it?

Yes, there’s no complaints from me :) Spent 4 months camping and now I’m still camping but fixing a property.

I’ll do something for money next year, who knows, I might find a good programming contract or I might be serving coffee at the local cafe!

Re: My business partner sent a 5K vibe-coded PR that he didn't even test

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The problem is not vibe coding. The problem is the people doing this were never good software engineers before vibe coding. Simply put you still need good practices to produce working good code with AI. Oddly what I have found best is patterns that many would cringe and demeans unit test and integration test. Yes I still vibe unit test and integration test, but more than ever I have to put on my PM and QA hat, even m…

Well said. The problem is that vibe coding can paper over bad engineering practices for awhile. And results look good, and when you raise concerns people look at you like you're dumb and trying to slow things down. But the underlying bad practices _will_ bite the same they would have before AI, you just don't know when. It's a really frustrating state of the industry to be in.

Models are the worst now that they ever will be. Frontier models do a phenomenal job of employing good engineering practices and code style compared to where they were mere months ago. Unassisted programming is dead. Programming as a human activity will be on a timescale of years (along with a vast swath of other knowledge work).

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Did you have a lot of savings or something for this? I suppose the closest the rest of us can do is see if we can work part time and make use of longer weekends to go on exploratory trips, or paid holiday (if you work for a company) to go on exploratory trips, see the world, that sort of thing.

Saved, bought assets, saved & paid off debt, sold assets. My home town had super undervalued real estate for roughly a decade prior to 2023/4. I bought another stinker of a property nobody wanted. I’d save and look for under valued property, my understanding is the US has ridiculous amounts of it provided you’re happy to live in small places.

Very informative, thanks. Nothing is undervalued here in the UK.

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Saved, bought assets, saved & paid off debt, sold assets. My home town had super undervalued real estate for roughly a decade prior to 2023/4. I bought another stinker of a property nobody wanted. I’d save and look for under valued property, my understanding is the US has ridiculous amounts of it provided you’re happy to live in small places.

Very informative, thanks. Nothing is undervalued here in the UK.

I always see videos of people on YouTube buying abandoned properties in the UK?

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> Yes I still vibe unit test and integration test, False sense of security. What's stopping the agents from doing an elaborate form of "Assert.IsTrue(true)" in some/most/all of the tests since you are vibing it and not reviewing it?

Agreed. If you don’t want to read the code that’s fine, but you have to read the testing code. Otherwise you have no idea what’s going on.

Yeah, you have to have some level of involvement. It's crazy that we are actually talking of 100% dev involvement to literally 0% involvement.

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Very informative, thanks. Nothing is undervalued here in the UK.

I always see videos of people on YouTube buying abandoned properties in the UK?

I must seek these out then! I avoid YouTube a lot as its noise I don't need in my life, and I hate the "facial reaction" / pointing thumbnails, or thumbnails with arrows, all designed to make you look.
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