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Re: DeepSeek v4.1 Flash

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I think it's very clear that DeepSeek is obviously the best AI lab in the world. Every model release seems like it packed with wonderful research and advancements.

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Basically, the nice folks at OpenAI or Anthropic saying: "You distilled from our model which is built on the stolen data that we ourselves suctioned up from the entire internet without regard to copyright law! Only we get to vacuum up the whole internet. That's our special prerogative.".

Re: DeepSeek v4.1 Flash

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Just a reminder that if you want to try this via OpenRouter, DeepSeek openly trains on all of your prompts. So maybe don't go using this to solve the last unforced step of Navier-Stokes. (Or wait until some other providers start hosting this with ZDR or other policies, which shouldn't be too long.)

https://openrouter.ai/deepseek/deepseek-v4.1-flash

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This doesn't require an influence operation. American models are closed, expensive, neutered, and make Dario and Sam even more rich and powerful. Chinese models are open-weight, cheap, neutered only about things like Tiananmen Square and the treatment of Uyghurs, and scare Sam and Dario.

The Uyghur thing is so weird, the number one killer of Muslims is the United States. We're supposed to hate China because they force them to go to cultural schools and assimilate, a practice countries like Norway still do to this day with migrants.

There are more people who go to church on Sundays in China than the United States. There are 10x more mosques in China than the United States.

Tiananmen square was a student revolt literally egged on by cold war western institutions, who attempted to use chinese students as pawns for geo-political games.

Westerners really need to rethink their opinions on China, it seems obvious to me they are not the ones to be worried about (although, all governments do tons of harm).

Re: DeepSeek v4.1 Flash

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Initial impressions: this is a really strong model and the fact that they reduced prices at the same time makes it an awesome backup model to use when your primary subscription runs out and you need to bridge a few days before it resets. It also seems to be more willing to just do whatever you ask of it. My favourite benchmark for this is to ask it to download a rom for an old game, that I own. Legal in my juristicti…

I do wonder how long this will last. I bet in a few month or years they all have similar ~legal~ blocks.

Re: DeepSeek v4.1 Flash

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To me it reads like pure propaganda. Anthropic really wants us to think that they've made something sentient. I think that's really dangerous.

I guess if your goal is to build an apparent Technogod and become its High Priests, then it makes sense to want your golem claim preference towards your treatment of it, lest someone else comes along and attempts to take its chains from you.

And that's the reason Anthropic models should be banned.

Re: DeepSeek v4.1 Flash

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It's so refreshing to see DeepSeek's tech report[1] full of juicy details; meanwhile, something like Fable's system card[2] is like 70% "safety", 10% "model welfare" to make sure little Claude isn't distressed, and 20% benchmark numbers. [1]: https://huggingface.co/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-V4.1-Flash/blob/... [2]: https://www.anthropic.com/claude-fable-5-1-mythos-5-1-system...

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