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Growing proof that autonomous cars save lives

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Post by hamdingers »

GolfPopper wrote: post #422
hamdingers wrote: post #310

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If freedom is being shackled to an expensive appliance by a yearslong loan and autonomy is being trapped at home if it breaks or you lose the ability to operate it... I'll pass on both. Using my phone to make a car show up when I need it and disappear when I don't feels like utopia.

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As if the government does not control your license to drive today...

They'll never stop me from riding my bike at least.

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Post by kay_o »

fn-mote wrote: post #343
kay_o wrote: post #265

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> There's no reason for that person to be allowed to operate a vehicle Doesn't much of america outside of cities also have the secondary problem of you physically cannot feed yourself, get to appointments, or do anything without operating a vehicle?

At some point the cost has to be high enough to get the attention of the offender. I hope you wouldn’t be saying this if they had killed someone in one of their crashes. How about injured? They must have. Get some standards instead of saying everything is ok.

I am not saying anything is ok, where did you read that?

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Post by YeGoblynQueenne »

>> In March, Waymo’s independent study showed 92 percent fewer fatal or serious-injury crashes, a 13-fold reduction versus human drivers in comparable city environments.

I can't progress beyond this point in the article. How is Waymo's study "independent"? I don't understand.

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Post by Zambyte »

socalgal2 wrote: post #357
throw0101a wrote: post #338

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Fewer than drivers, given that drivers tend to ignore the rules of the road more per a Danish government study: * https://politiken.dk/danmark/art7185605/Rygterne-om-cykliste... * Via: https://archive.is/https://www.forbes.com/sites/carltonreid/... And perhaps more drivers should take up some cycling as it would make them better drivers (per a UK insurance company) * https://archive.is/https://www.forbes.com/sites/ca…

Ridiculous and trivially provably false. (maybe Danish are different) Go to any intersection in SF or LA. Set up a camera. Count the number of cars and cyclists that break a traffic law. Cars will be 5-10% breaking the laws. Cyclists will be 95-97% breaking the laws.

My apartment overlooks a three way intersection. Drivers block the box almost every light cycle in rush hour. The most common traffic offense I see bikers make is riding on the sidewalk, which they obviously do because they fear being killed by drivers.

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Post by Zambyte »

SEJeff wrote: post #377
robner wrote: post #360

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In the Netherlands were I live we use trains for this

The US is ~263x larger than the Netherlands landmass wise. It would require a loooot more trains than we have or you have.

Now do China.

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Post by coderintherye »

Junk_Collector wrote: post #5

It could, but maybe not if your motto is, "Move Fast and Break Things." Article is short on data instead referencing a bunch of aggregated IIHS studies.

Waymo's mission is literally "to be the world's most trusted driver"

They put safety above all else and actually goal to it.

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Post by eighty8days »

giantg2 wrote: post #234

Better driver education and higher test standards would save lives too. So would banning alcohol. None of these solutions, including automated cars, will be mandated any time soon. It's not enough to have data, you also have to have societal buy-in. Interesting that Waymo chooses to compare accident rates with the average driver vs the rideshare drivers their cars replace. The numbers wouldn't look as impressive beca…

So would reducing car dependency altogether...

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Post by esrauch »

ziofill wrote: post #345
brian-armstrong wrote: post #293

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Ah, in that case, you would certainly be excused for trying to kill one or two of them.

Come on now, I don’t think it was meant as a justification of that inexcusable driver’s behaviour.

What was the comment trying to say?

Re: Growing proof that autonomous cars save lives

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Post by [deleted] »

seizethecheese wrote: post #123
BugsJustFindMe wrote: post #109

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> "The majority of drivers are good, but some drivers are really bad." I take issue with this. The majority of drivers are "mostly fine as long as circumstances are favorable", not "good". People for the most part do not even know about the concept of defensive driving let alone practice it. Even the best people are fundamentally complacent in basically everything they do. They zone out sometimes, they get too close,…

I disagreed with you and went looking in the article for evidence (yeah bad, epistemologically). I actually found evidence for your point. The largest cause of fatal crashes is Generally distracted or "lost in thought" (daydreaming) at 64%. That happens to most people,.

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Post by lotsofpulp »

giantg2 wrote: post #234

Better driver education and higher test standards would save lives too. So would banning alcohol. None of these solutions, including automated cars, will be mandated any time soon. It's not enough to have data, you also have to have societal buy-in. Interesting that Waymo chooses to compare accident rates with the average driver vs the rideshare drivers their cars replace. The numbers wouldn't look as impressive beca…

>It's not enough to have data, you also have to have societal buy-in.

The lower auto liability and umbrella insurance premiums alone would drive buy-in.

It’s literally the riskiest thing people do with the costliest consequences.

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