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Growing proof that autonomous cars save lives

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Re: Growing proof that autonomous cars save lives

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Post by ErroneousBosh »

danieldevries wrote: post #17

Of course. This seems so obvious. More sensors with 360 degrees. Faster reaction time. Constantly improving, be it from real world data or from a simulated environment. Zero fatigue. No emotion evolved. No drugs are alcohol in the system. Fyi. Long robotaxis.

But they still cannot drive cars. All this stuff can do is react very slowly, maybe, if it detects it, to a change in the environment.

Self-driving cars will never be safer than human drivers.

If you believe otherwise, show actual proof of some kind. Show some footage of self-driving cars doing anything other than blundering around like an inexperienced and impaired driver.

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Post by tredre3 »

jedberg wrote: post #63
jjordan wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, I definitely trust insurance companies to do the right thing here.

Car insurance companies have their problems, but pricing risk is not one of them. We saw this before -- they used to charge people who lived in high crime areas more money. They had to stop because it turned out that those high crime areas also had a lot of poor people, so the government stepped in and stopped allowing pricing by zip code. But the insurance companies weren't wrong about the risk -- those customers co…

> Car insurance companies have their problems, but pricing risk is not one of them.

If pricing risk was an exact science, you'd get the same quote from all providers (given similar coverage). Yet if you try that, you'll find that the quotes could vary as much as 2-3x. Therefore no, we shouldn't blindly trust "the algorithm".

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Post by bretthoerner »

lelanthran wrote: post #195
alexpotato wrote: post #105

The most likely scenario at this point it: - autonomous cars cause fewer accidents - so either insurance will be cheaper for them - AND/OR human driving car insurance goes up - even if only one happens, the relative cost of insurance will change in favor of autonomous - driving your own car becomes a kind of "prestige" thing where only really wealthy people do it (similar to owning your own plane etc)

> The most likely scenario at this point it: > - autonomous cars cause fewer accidents > - so either insurance will be cheaper for them > - AND/OR human driving car insurance goes up If they were going to do that, they would have done it by now for those drivers opting into the insurance monitor device: they can literally tell that you're a driver that never took a risk, never got into a situation to brake hard, neve…

It's a pool. If all the drunks switch to autonomous vehicles then we all win. If all the school teachers switch to autonomous vehicles then the drunks lose.

In my own life I see the most reasonable/thoughtful drivers raving about autonomous driving and the most reckless ones ranting against it. YMMV.

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Post by goda90 »

Gigachad wrote: post #224
goda90 wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And it'll negatively impact all but the upper classes. Automakers would rather everyone use their autopilot taxi services for the higher profit margins, so autopilot EVs will be prohibitively expensive to outright buy.

I think it would positively impact lower classes because car ownership is by far the biggest financial drain you can take on.

Only if there's affordable transportation available.

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Post by senordevnyc »

giantg2 wrote: post #234

Better driver education and higher test standards would save lives too. So would banning alcohol. None of these solutions, including automated cars, will be mandated any time soon. It's not enough to have data, you also have to have societal buy-in. Interesting that Waymo chooses to compare accident rates with the average driver vs the rideshare drivers their cars replace. The numbers wouldn't look as impressive beca…

Aside from the fact that I don’t see how you can calculate a rate off two data points (without really wide error bars), I also don’t understand how fault doesn’t matter. If neither of these were Waymo’s fault, then Waymo has never caused a fatal accident, whereas we can assume that nearly all of the fatal accidents that make up the rate you’re comparing it with were caused by a human, right? Well, at least the ones that were someone’s fault as opposed to random chance or something.

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Post by bretthoerner »

MelonArmiger wrote: post #258

It doesn't really matter whether autonomous cars crash less than human drivers. A computer can never be punished, so a computer must never be allowed to kill any humans.

Where do you live that humans are punished for "accidents"? You can run someone over in America and it's basically an "oopsie, do better next time!"

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Post by hamdingers »

GolfPopper wrote: post #153
alexpotato wrote: post #105

The most likely scenario at this point it: - autonomous cars cause fewer accidents - so either insurance will be cheaper for them - AND/OR human driving car insurance goes up - even if only one happens, the relative cost of insurance will change in favor of autonomous - driving your own car becomes a kind of "prestige" thing where only really wealthy people do it (similar to owning your own plane etc)

And the wage slaves lose even more freedom and autonomy.

If freedom is being shackled to an expensive appliance by a yearslong loan and autonomy is being trapped at home if it breaks or you lose the ability to operate it... I'll pass on both.

Using my phone to make a car show up when I need it and disappear when I don't feels like utopia.

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