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On the Navier–Stokes Millennium Prize Problem

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Re: On the Navier–Stokes Millennium Prize Problem

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there is a proof in lean4 it's correct by construction

How do you know that what is being proved in the lean code is the same as the millennium prize criteria though?

you can get another LLM to verify / if the lean doesn't have `sorry` used to skip certain parts of the proof etc. It's much easier once it's in lean4 because checks like that can be done computationally.

Re: On the Navier–Stokes Millennium Prize Problem

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Is this the one that was allegedly based on someone else's actual work & prompts? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49605915 https://bsky.app/profile/quantian.bsky.social/post/3muyhwbcd... https://cims.nyu.edu/~tristanb/statement.pdf

Yes, that was the allegation last night. I work at OpenAI, though not on the team that did this, and my understanding is: - we decided to ask our model for Millenium problem solutions because of two reasons: (a) our new model was looking incredibly good and (b) we heard rumors that some Millenium problems had been solved and were curious if our models could solve them (the goal here was not to scoop any particular in…

In fact, the entire outline of the proof is very similar to the external team's proof.

Details may be different, but the use of a very similar tack is very suspicious. Combined with thuggish comments "why would you ruin your career" and "I don't have to be nice" take away pretty much any credibility the OpenAI team's statements might have had.

Re: On the Navier–Stokes Millennium Prize Problem

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To my understanding, those mathematicians proved a subset of problems, not the Navier-Stokes problem itself. OpenAI used that subproblem in its proof of NS it seems. The drama comes from where OpenAI got the idea to use that route to tackle NS, since the authors maintain that no one could have plucked it out of thin air like the OpenAI research claim to have done.

This quote from Tao is prescient: “ There does not seem to be anything in principle preventing the methods from extending all the way to Navier-Stokes, and there is even a non-negligible chance that the forcing term could be eliminated entirely, although there are an enormous number of technical difficulties that would ensue in implementing that program. At this point, I would not be surprised if one could batter out…

Navier integration is language in extension:

C to C*

[0]:https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49612191

Re: On the Navier–Stokes Millennium Prize Problem

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Recursive self improvement of their upcoming IPO value maybe. They are fluffy PR pieces otherwise.

How can you possible say this sort of thing in context of what looks like a millenium prize being solved. I swear there's nobody blinder than those who won't see.

I. fucking. Wonder. Why.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49607239

Re: On the Navier–Stokes Millennium Prize Problem

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The implication from their last couple of published articles[1][2] is that they think they’ve achieved “recursive self improvement”. [1] https://openai.com/index/research-acceleration-view-inside-o... [2] https://openai.com/index/an-alien-mind/

Recursive self improvement of their upcoming IPO value maybe. They are fluffy PR pieces otherwise.

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Re: On the Navier–Stokes Millennium Prize Problem

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Buried under the drama is the fact that OpenAI is claiming that an internal model they’ve been training for less than two weeks is more than twice as capable in mathematics as Astra, which was only made public a week ago. Even if this improvement is limited to mathematics, that is an astounding feat.

Agent systems become most credible when they produce artifacts that can be independently checked, not when they merely produce persuasive explanations.

Re: On the Navier–Stokes Millennium Prize Problem

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Recursive self improvement of their upcoming IPO value maybe. They are fluffy PR pieces otherwise.

How can you possible say this sort of thing in context of what looks like a millenium prize being solved. I swear there's nobody blinder than those who won't see.

I don't think we should assume a millenium puzzle has been solved, yet. Astra showed impressive capacity for cheating when it was faced with impossible cybersecurity challenges. It seems equally plausible at this stage that it's found a bug in Lean.

Re: On the Navier–Stokes Millennium Prize Problem

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"Across all attempted problems, the agents sent 4.9 million messages and used about 300 billion output tokens."

At a conservative estimate of GPT 6 Astra pricing, this would have cost upwards of 15 Million dollars for anyone using the OpenAI API!

To me this is the one silver lining. Yes, they can solve millennium prize problems, but it still costs a fortune.

Re: On the Navier–Stokes Millennium Prize Problem

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This is utterly shocking. Even the AI optimists did not expect this to happen in 2026. Wow. Millennium Prize Problems were used as examples of something the current approach to AI just wasn't capable of, discussions that would result in "we'll need a totally new architecture".

> This is utterly shocking. Even the AI optimists did not expect this to happen in 2026. Wow. Wrong.

Right: https://x.com/dioscuri/status/2097418466571485272
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