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Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Post by mitxela »

8by3 wrote: post #286
smw wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are lots of companies that provide low end services for free to attract people who may now or in the future be decision makers at large companies.

indeed, typically by using their huge cash piles to build a moat around them, so no small new player has a dream of competing. This is why I refuse to give any money to AWS/GCP/Azure or anyone who runs on them.

You should avoid giving them money because they're 50 times more expensive than the competition, not because of that.

Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Post by mitxela »

iteria wrote: post #267
pjmlp wrote: post #201

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I rather have 30 day vacations, a proper life with 40h work week, healthcare, union membership, than SV salaries, which are nontheless an exception, most of the developers, that aren't even properly accredited Software Engineers, get the same salary as most office workers. In which country do fast food workers get higher salaries than office workers, unless we are talking about tourism industry outside Europe, with s…

I'm American and I take 30 days of PTO a year. I get paid the national median for pay, but that still puts me in the top 10% of _household_ incomes for my state. I have good healthcare and benefits. Hell, I got sick last year and took 2 months off from work paid because my company has the policies to cover that and then I came back and it was fine. Like, I find SV culture and living to be a cancer, but I'm just sayin…

Your bosses can only afford to give you that and high salary because they aren't giving it to everyone.

Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Post by mitxela »

tlogan wrote: post #337

The biggest problem with Europe is the lack of innovation. But that was not an issue before. Before the 2000s, Europe was very very strong in telecom (Ericsson, Nokia, Siemens, Alcatel), industrial technology, the auto industry, mobile phones, semiconductors, and enterprise software (SAP, Baan, Business Objects, Dassault Systèmes, sage). Europe was definitely much less dependent on U.S. technology back then. In some…

Before the 2000s, Berlin was still ruled by squatters and illegal techno clubs.

Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Post by mitxela »

inemesitaffia wrote: post #350

It's always surprising to find a website that's not behind CloudFlare, Akamai, DDOS guard or Fastly. BTW CDN is a terrible business. The only thing worse that's adjacent is rural Fiber and seemingly Wholesale IP transit.

I'd tolerate DDOS-guard - they let you host illegal stuff

Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Post by mitxela »

pessimizer wrote: post #233

Pretty sure that Cloudflare has absolutely no moat in Europe, and could be replaced by any adequately funded European version. Never believe that European talk about separating from the US is anything but slop for the plebs.

Their moat is mindshare.

Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Post by theamk »

mitxela wrote: post #370
pampas wrote: post #365

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Registering domains on Cloudflare is great. They do it at cost as far as I can tell and more tlds have been added. I don't have to use a nasty local registrar with dark patterns anymore.

They do it at cost with a caveat: you can only ever use Cloudflare for that domain. It's a loss leader.

what? their docs explicitly say nosy of them are not going tobe cloudflare-hosted

> Cloudflare does not offer web hosting for most websites

https://developers.cloudflare.com/fundamentals/manage-domain...

Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 »

CommanderData wrote: post #108
bcye wrote: post #104

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Well it is known SSL termination servers are a popular target: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/10/new-docs-show-ns...

The reputational damage for CF would be intense. Businesses won't tolerate something like this so I find it hard to believe there is any cooperation between the two entities.

I have seen this argument on HN before with respect to similar scenarios involving so-called "tech" companies acting as intermediaries

I don't think it's convincing

If this submission and this thread are any indication, it appears the "reputation" that CF customers care about has nothing to do with privacy. It relates to price, ease of use, reliability, etc.

The fact is businesses do "tolerate it"

For example,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloudbleed

The MITM design of CF is what it is

It creates risks, but these risks are tolerated

Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Post by quadrifoliate »

mitxela wrote: post #378
quadrifoliate wrote: post #175

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> Doing it in a way that won't invite retaliation from the US Gov (which seems more and more like the PR arm of US big tech) is even trickier. It's not the so-called retaliation of the US government that leads to European inefficiencies like paying notaries thousands of euros to read out a contract to you (several discussions going around about this in Germany recently). This is ultimately just a boogeyman. European…

That notary thing is very stupid but just one thing - let's not pretend the US doesn't have stupidity on that level too. DMV lines, anyone? One voting booth for an entire city because it's majority black?

Obviously, the US has lots and lots of stupid things.

The difference is that you typically don't hear "Oh we need to make slow progress on making voting easier, because the EU will retaliate". That would be absurd. We recognize that it's our own fault, i.e. the politicians that we are voting in.

Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Post by inemesitaffia »

mitxela wrote: post #384
inemesitaffia wrote: post #350

It's always surprising to find a website that's not behind CloudFlare, Akamai, DDOS guard or Fastly. BTW CDN is a terrible business. The only thing worse that's adjacent is rural Fiber and seemingly Wholesale IP transit.

I'd tolerate DDOS-guard - they let you host illegal stuff

I noticed a lot of illegal video sites now host their video itself via CloudFlare.

Before they'd use some European host or file locker.

I wonder about the economics and how it's hidden.

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