Asahi Linux on M3 • Hacker News Board

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Post by LtWorf » Tue, Sep 08, 2026, 8:38 PM UTC

zer0zzz wrote: post #361

LtWorf wrote: post #327

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webkit is a fork from KDE, so "initiated" is doing a lot of heavy lifting there. llvm also existed from before although apple supported the development. I was curious if apple had actually started any FOSS project.

In both cases you're undercounting apples investment just to make a really dense point on HN. 1) khtml was a really minimal renderer in KDE before apple pumped tens of millions into turning it into the first really modern web2.0 browser, you really can not underestimate the amount of money jobs was willing to pump to make that thing what it became by the time the iphone launched. 2) llvm was essentially apple's bet o…

I believe the word "originated" has a very precise meaning.

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Post by zer0zzz » Tue, Sep 08, 2026, 11:16 PM UTC

LtWorf wrote: post #363

zer0zzz wrote: post #362

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I was going to say swift, but I figured someone would undercount that because it is so overly relevant as an iOS/Mac development language even though it really is a pretty good portable language. But man... undercounting webkit and clang+llvm is a new level of ignorance..

It is ignorance to call them apple projects when they really aren't. The copyright notice of webkit is full of emails like @kde.org… wonder why it's not entirely @apple.com?

The majority of the advancements done to make the standards compliant browser with great js performance were done at Apple. Going by the copyright notice as the the source of a vast majority of the dev in the 2000s seems pretty special.

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Post by zer0zzz » Tue, Sep 08, 2026, 11:17 PM UTC

brewmarche wrote: post #364

zer0zzz wrote: post #362

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I was going to say swift, but I figured someone would undercount that because it is so overly relevant as an iOS/Mac development language even though it really is a pretty good portable language. But man... undercounting webkit and clang+llvm is a new level of ignorance..

They asked about ‘originated’ in particular.

Clang and the arm64 backend did literally originate at Apple. Not sure what you want me to tell you.

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Post by zer0zzz » Tue, Sep 08, 2026, 11:18 PM UTC

LtWorf wrote: post #371

zer0zzz wrote: post #361

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In both cases you're undercounting apples investment just to make a really dense point on HN. 1) khtml was a really minimal renderer in KDE before apple pumped tens of millions into turning it into the first really modern web2.0 browser, you really can not underestimate the amount of money jobs was willing to pump to make that thing what it became by the time the iphone launched. 2) llvm was essentially apple's bet o…

I believe the word "originated" has a very precise meaning.

A meaning which seems definitely lost on you for two of my three examples.

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Post by nijave » Wed, Sep 09, 2026, 2:31 AM UTC

maven29 wrote: post #238

Danox wrote: post #217

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Darwin is open source has been for 25-26 years is it too much hard work? https://github.com/PureDarwin/PureDarwin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_(operating_system) https://www.puredarwin.org/

They've done the userspace bringup for linux since apple silicon servers allegedly exist. The drivers exist already so just throwing the device tree over the wall can't be that hard. Nobody is asking for systemready/UEFI or mainline linux. https://jobs.apple.com/en-us/details/200658399-0645/linux-ke... I suspect that they might be changing their mind about upstreaming?

Eh, they probably have enough server hardware/infrastructure and potentially custom accelerators and other hardware that staffing a team makes sense

Quick web search says they at least need some kernel developers for virtualized Linux on macOS

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Post by nextlevelwizard » Wed, Sep 09, 2026, 5:20 AM UTC

pjmlp wrote: post #340

nextlevelwizard wrote: post #314

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It turns out people want actually good machines. I have the cheapest M1 Air and it still rocks and isn't power hungry. When Apple stops supporting it I will gladly switch to Asahi if capable.

So much that they rather use another UNIX and then keep complaining it isn't GNU/Linux, go figure.

Yeah... most users do not do that. I would prefer using MacOS forever, but I am under no illusion that it will keep getting supported. But I also use Linux daily so I am not bothered anyway.

Also just please stop fighting against imaginary people.

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Post by rrr_oh_man » Wed, Sep 09, 2026, 6:48 AM UTC

zer0zzz wrote: post #374

LtWorf wrote: post #371

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I believe the word "originated" has a very precise meaning.

A meaning which seems definitely lost on you for two of my three examples.

Don’t get baited into discussing with a troll (who’s not discussing to gain a shared understanding)

Re: Asahi Linux on M3

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Post by LtWorf » Wed, Sep 09, 2026, 8:49 AM UTC

zer0zzz wrote: post #373

brewmarche wrote: post #364

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They asked about ‘originated’ in particular.

Clang and the arm64 backend did literally originate at Apple. Not sure what you want me to tell you.

That's the first thing I saw in the copyright file