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Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Post by shintoist »

thih9 wrote: post #184

What are some EU based alternatives? Edit: I found https://european-alternatives.eu/alternative-to/cloudflare , which lists among others: https://bunny.net/ , https://www.keycdn.com/ , https://blazingcdn.com/ , https://www.myrasecurity.com/en/product-content-delivery-net... , https://www.leaseweb.com/cdn . If anyone has any personal experiences with any of these please share.

I've been using bunny.net for a while and it's not bad. It has some rough edges, but it does what it's supposed to and I haven't experienced any downtime.

The main "gotcha" is that there's no free plan, it's a minimum of $1 per month, you pay for usage. In practice it's very hard to spend more than a dollar in a month.

Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Post by pessimizer »

sajithdilshan wrote: post #101
pjmlp wrote: post #25

The problem is that we have spent 40 years adopting US technology, across multiple generations of software developers and decision makers, while everyone was supposedly on the same side. It will take similar amount of years to go back into the cold war heterogeneous computing landscape of the 60, early 90s. This assuming there would be an willingness across all European countries to actually push for that, and not ju…

Even if EU countries want to push for their own solutions, the biggest problem is the capital. The governments cannot fund this with tax payers money because they have other critical problems to solve and private companies only go far if they can make a profit. Only time will tell how far this sovereign movement would go. Maybe when the US would have a president/government from the Democratic Party someday in the fut…

> The governments cannot fund this with tax payers money because they have other critical problems to solve

The governments can's solve this problem because the entire economic model of the EU is that the core exploits the periphery, who don't have a currency that they can weaken as a response. If they had a strong democratic central government and a real central bank in the EU, they'd be forced to make transfer payments to the weaker members, and to bail them out (losing the leverage to make elite demands on them.)

The EU as a whole could easily solve the problem, they have the population, the talent, and the infrastructure. They're just really docile from the CIA and their own elite cliques working on them for the better part of a century.

> Only time will tell how far this sovereign movement would go.

There is none. Blah blah blah in the media isn't a "sovereign movement." It's a campaign to get you to vote for the same middle of the road radical centrist neocons served on a substrate of normie-relaxing anti-Trump rhetoric.

Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Post by el1s7 »

jillesvangurp wrote: post #58

It's seriously good value for small websites. Basically, there is no cost aside from the domain. And for registering and managing domains, they are pretty much the most affordable option as well. And they have a few other things that aren't half bad to use with pretty generous freemium layers. We used Google's CDN for the last six years or so but it's pretty annoying to deal with and you have to pay for a load balanc…

Google Cloud and AWS are complex because they're meant for hosting complex apps and infrastructure, they're not really worth it for simple static websites.

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Post by FuriouslyAdrift »

pjc50 wrote: post #228
aivisol wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please speak for yourself. Not everyone in Europe thinks US is bigger problem than China. For many China is far bigger geopolitical threat since they openly support Russia in its current war.

It does actually matter that the US president is continually deriding Europe and making weird threats in English language social media where we can see it, while the Chinese leadership is politely selling us discounted cars. (When is the first war going to be started purely downstream of social media beef? Was it arguably the Iran war?)

That's like complaining that the police are mean while your heroin dealer is so nice to you.

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Post by bblb »

p-e-w wrote: post #176
petcat wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The NSA collects and archives all internet traffic it can access for future analysis. It's the purpose of the Utah Data center. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Data_Center

There’s no way a single datacenter costing a couple of billion dollars can store “all Internet traffic the NSA can access”, unless the traffic the NSA can access is a microscopic fraction of the total Internet traffic. Think about it. The Internet runs on tens of thousands of massive datacenters. Thousands are being built as we speak. Obviously a single datacenter cannot hold an appreciable fraction of that. BTW, the…

It doesn't need to store the payloads itself. It stores the metadata of connections and probably the fingerprints of the content passing through the Internet. "The headers of the whole Internet" could be physically stored in a single datacenter.

Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Post by strictnein »

icantevenhold wrote: post #223
esperent wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The hidden cost, of course, is that the NSA learns everything there is to know about you and your customers You're replying to a comment talking about migrating from Google, so I assume you're claiming this is more of a risk with Cloudflare than Google (or other American providers like AWS)? If so, what's your source for that claim?

Heck the NSA backdoored our head of states phones - if “NSA wants my data” is your threat model you are pretty much cooked everywhere. Even if you host on your own server and operate everything yourself it’s no big secret that the NSA is listening in on the node/isp level

> "it’s no big secret that the NSA is listening in on the node/isp level"

The NSA is doing deep packet inspection at every "node/isp" in the world? That's a pretty amazing claim. How are they managing that?

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Post by microtonal »

embedding-shape wrote: post #49
microtonal wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I theoretically agree, the issue is that Trump will connect economical issues to blowing up NATO Article 5, leaving NATO completely, or retracting intelligence or Starlink for Ukraine. So for the most part, the EU has to work slowly and under the radar. That said, my worry is that we'll be back to business as usual if the midterms look favorable. Even the urgency present during January's Greenland threats was g…

> Even the urgency present during January's Greenland threats was gone after a few months. There are troops deployed on Greenland right now ready to defend the island. The threat is not gone from the minds of the people there or in the rest of Europe just because you stopped reading about it on CNN or whatever. Edit: I got curious if this part is even possible: > leaving NATO completely Apparently not. Congress enact…

The threat is not gone from the minds of the people there or in the rest of Europe just because you stopped reading about it on CNN or whatever.

I don't watch CNN. I live in Europe, read European newspapers. It's just something that I noticed observing people. In January, a lot of people started thinking about moving away from US services, there were even newspaper articles about alternative smartphone OSes, etc. Now most people are back to business as usual. (Which doesn't mean that some countries aren't moving to alternatives, etc.)

Apparently not. Congress enacted a specific prohibition in 2023, now codified at 22 U.S.C. §1928f. It says that the president may not "suspend, terminate, denounce, or withdraw" the US from the North Atlantic Treaty unless either two-thirds of senators present consent, or Congress passes an Act authorizing it.

Agreed that complete withdrawal is hard currently. But it's a toothless tiger (as least with respect to the US) when the commander in chief says he will not defend a country because they have been unfair to the US.

My personal opinion is that the EU should just do what it needs to do, because NATO is effectively dead and reboot the alliance without the US in parallel.

Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Post by WarmWash »

spacebanana7 wrote: post #173
kakacik wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you care about security and specifically NSA, don't use US clouds (owned or hosted), period. There is not a single one they don't have full access to, why should there be one. Or clouds in general, its all wishful thinking and pinky promises.

What about the Chinese clouds? It’s hard to imagine Alibaba etc being cooperative with western intelligence

One of them is just another arm of the government so all data is defacto government data, and the other releases transparency reports[1]

[1]https://archive.dni.gov/files/CLPT/documents/2026_ASTR_for_C...

Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Post by pdimitar »

And? Why should they not use Cloudflare?

What do the EU investors do outside of demanding guaranteed profit with zero risk for them? How many are ready to absorb 10-30 years of new infrastructure investments and play the long game?

If the EU wants to compete, well, here's the global market, right that way. ==>

Get to it. Nobody is actually stopping you.

But if you have no appetite for risk, don't complain when one day you realize you don't have EU alternatives.

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