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Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Post by sajithdilshan »

pjmlp wrote: post #25

The problem is that we have spent 40 years adopting US technology, across multiple generations of software developers and decision makers, while everyone was supposedly on the same side. It will take similar amount of years to go back into the cold war heterogeneous computing landscape of the 60, early 90s. This assuming there would be an willingness across all European countries to actually push for that, and not ju…

Even if EU countries want to push for their own solutions, the biggest problem is the capital. The governments cannot fund this with tax payers money because they have other critical problems to solve and private companies only go far if they can make a profit.

Only time will tell how far this sovereign movement would go. Maybe when the US would have a president/government from the Democratic Party someday in the future. EU would cozy up again to US and go back to how things were. There’s no permanent enemies or allies when it comes to politics and at the end of the day it all revolves around money

Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Post by dizhn »

jillesvangurp wrote: post #58

It's seriously good value for small websites. Basically, there is no cost aside from the domain. And for registering and managing domains, they are pretty much the most affordable option as well. And they have a few other things that aren't half bad to use with pretty generous freemium layers. We used Google's CDN for the last six years or so but it's pretty annoying to deal with and you have to pay for a load balanc…

> Basically, there is no cost aside from the domain. And for registering and managing domains, they are pretty much the most affordable option as well.

You don't need to register your domain with them. Only make their DNS servers your domain name servers.

Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Post by sparkling »

s_dev wrote: post #77
Havoc wrote: post #2

Bunny.net is a good alternative - they don’t have CF depth of offerings but are getting there

https://eualternative.eu/categories/cdn/

Bunny is the MVP among these European alternatives. It's not just a CDN, it offers Cloudflare-style Edge scripting, Edge workers, databases (Sqlite compatible) etc.

Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Post by bcye »

CommanderData wrote: post #98
pocksuppet wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The hidden cost, of course, is that the NSA learns everything there is to know about you and your customers. Cloudflare is the LG TV of websites, but it's worse because we've known it has an always-on microphone and speech-to-text for over a decade and we still keep using it for some reason.

Is there any evidence of this

Well it is known SSL termination servers are a popular target: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/10/new-docs-show-ns...

Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Post by viraptor »

jarco wrote: post #48
Havoc wrote: post #2

Bunny.net is a good alternative - they don’t have CF depth of offerings but are getting there

I tried them with our small company. They seem ... young. Support on discord is not something I can sell to our owners. We sent a ticket that activating some of their services instantly caused bad bots to scan our site, and never got a decent reply on that. Their attitude does not inspire confidence and for that reason we scrapped them as an option. Never actually found a good European option besides them, which is s…

> We sent a ticket that activating some of their services instantly caused bad bots to scan our site

You assigned a new https certificate around that time, didn't you? Those are public now and will cause an immediate scan.

Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Post by cassianoleal »

thorbutt wrote: post #76
pocksuppet wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The hidden cost, of course, is that the NSA learns everything there is to know about you and your customers. Cloudflare is the LG TV of websites, but it's worse because we've known it has an always-on microphone and speech-to-text for over a decade and we still keep using it for some reason.

That doesn't seem unique to Cloudflare though

No, but nothing comes close to their breadth and scale.

Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Post by bdauvergne »

embedding-shape wrote: post #19
vaylian wrote: post #10

Naive question: How important is it to use a CDN in the first place? Why can't you just serve the content yourself?

Depends on your use case. If you have a very inefficient backend (maybe legacy project?), you have massive amount of traffic (say 100K req/s or above) or you really must have sub-500ms latency absolutely everywhere in the world, then it might make sense to slap a CDN (or similar) on top of that. In pretty much any case outside of that, it makes no sense to waste the time, money or effort on CDNs. But, all the CDN com…

How does a cdn makes you backend faster or your latency better ? I thought it was only for distributing static assets and managing DDOS. If it is for cachable but dynamic content install reverse-proxy cache it will fly.

Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Post by CommanderData »

bcye wrote: post #104
CommanderData wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there any evidence of this

Well it is known SSL termination servers are a popular target: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/10/new-docs-show-ns...

The reputational damage for CF would be intense.

Businesses won't tolerate something like this so I find it hard to believe there is any cooperation between the two entities.

Re: Among European Companies That Use a CDN, Nearly 9 in 10 Use Cloudflare

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Post by cbg0 »

embedding-shape wrote: post #92
cbg0 wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was curious and it seems like smaller businesses do get DDoSed, ~5% of them in Canada: https://www.bdc.ca/en/articles-tools/blog/cyberattacks-small...

That graph is useful for the people who think DDoS is the biggest issue or even a big issue typically: https://www.bdc.ca/globalassets/digizuite/55250-canadian-sma... "Percentage of Canadian small businesses that have experienced a cybersecurity incident" The data from the graph: Phishing 61%; Malware 27%; Network intrusion 12%; Ransomware 12%; Data breach 7%; DDoS 5%; No cybersecurity incident 27%.

What exactly are you arguing? I already said 5%. Your personal experience of DDoS being super rare doesn't seem to match the real world.
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