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Bill Gates tries to install MovieMaker (2003)

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Re: Bill Gates tries to install MovieMaker (2003)

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This is not about candor, it's about framing and respecting what kind of power people have, who is responsible for what. "Hey gang - I know I'm not Dear Leader anymore - and - I don't want to get in the way of your new Dear Leader, but I want to share with you a bad experience I had with this product. A, B, C, D. E .. was really bad. After thinking about it - I think much of this lays at my feet. In the Golden Era of…

> Hey gang “How do you do, fellow kids?” > After thinking about it Just say the thing. > kinds of outcomes What outcomes specifically? > nipped in the bud “stop” > I suggest this probably happened because “I think” > ball dropped “failure” > must be the responsibility at the VP/Executive What does this mean? Fire the VPs who failed to do their jobs? Say what you mean. > ensuring smooth handoff “doing their jobs” > re…

This such a ridiculous comment.

It feels like it was written by 'Dwight Schrute'.

---> First - the notes about language are completely glib.

It's perfectly acceptable for someone to use personal tone.

"> After thinking about it

Just say the thing."

"> nipped in the bud

“stop”"

... would be ridiculous feedback to give anyone.

It's perfectly acceptable for any writer to have some personalized inflection in their prose.

There's no misunderstanding or lost context.

The fact that you would even try to pick apart language at level is just weird.

---> Second - "Nothing about this mealy mouthed corporate jargon"

There is nothing 'mealy mouthed' about that prose, and there is no 'corporate jargon' in the note.

None.

The writer in that scenario mean exactly what they said - with some allowance for personal inflection.

That's it.

---> Third - "> engender a culture of design

This is a meaningless phrase."

No - it's not a 'meaningless phrase' - it means exactly that, in so many words.

Obviously, I'm not going to write full follow up paragraph on that in HN, the implication is direct.

---> Fourth - and most importantly - you entirely missed the point by trying to nitpick on arbitrary language someone wrote crudely on a HN comment.

The 'point' is to illustrate in quick and rough terms how one could be 'candid' with the feedback about a broken feature - and to also to frame it responsibly, to direct some feedback and as to where the responsibility might lie and where the process might have broken down, and then to more broadly indicate strategic concerns over culture, because there clearly is, particularly around 'user centric concners'.

Gates barfed some 'things that were broken' - instead of providing any contextualization at all - it was totally absent anything a leader would nominally provide.

You're getting caught up literally in prose and notions of 'process' which is besides the point. This is not about 'process' - it's about a leader framing feedback.

And FYI it was Satya that finally did 'change the culture' (although on different terms) to generally widespread acclaim.

Re: Bill Gates tries to install MovieMaker (2003)

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Tangent, but my favorite "Bill Gates does X" story is "Bill Gates Plays Petals Around the Rose": https://www.borrett.id.au/computing/petals-bg.htm https://www.borrett.id.au/computing/petals-j.htm HN has never found it very interesting though: https://hn.algolia.com/?q=petals+around+the+rose

I've always assumed his inclusion in the story was just to make the story more interesting. I wonder if anybody ever asked him about it at all.

After researching a bit, the story actually is from 1977, I found a PDF from the magazine and it does mention him, even though he wasn't famous except for those tech enthusiast circles. Maybe the story is embellished a bit, but at least it wasn't made up in internet times.

Re: Bill Gates tries to install MovieMaker (2003)

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There's no File > Export?!

File > Share is the same, just more user friendly language. I get it's a bit confusing if you've been using computers for a long time (it's certainly caught me out), but 'Share' makes much more sense. Especially because export/save to disk is only one of the multiple 'Share' options available.

Yes, yes, everyday I share myself a glass of milk from the fridge. Sure.

Re: Bill Gates tries to install MovieMaker (2003)

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They think it's 'some issues' :) :) :) It's a fundamental, cultural and systemic lack of concern for those issues. An 'afterthought' that should be 'integral'. That Gates did not realize that means it's 100% on him. 1000% actually. He was struggling with the language of design and usability in 2003, not even realizing even the implications of what he was seeing (because it would require total rethink). Like a cars co…

Bill Gates was horrible CEO in current standard. He was distant and not reachable. He berated and bullied people. (+sexually harassed women). His personality personified Microsoft.

But he was very effective CEO because he knew technology, but business competition was more important to him. He was brutal against competition using all dirty tricks you could come out with.

Re: Bill Gates tries to install MovieMaker (2003)

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The most amazing thing about this isn't that ownership and lines of responsibility and politics are messed up, it's that the guy holding the reins is 100% aware of this and has no power to get the horse to move in the right direction. Is there not an org chart? How is there not a person above who knows what who below them owns? If these are the execs below Bill, how does Bill not know which one owns it? If he knows and they're not taking responsibility, why doesn't he fire them? Reading this I'm honestly more surprised that Microsoft lasted past 2004.

Re: Bill Gates tries to install MovieMaker (2003)

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> Microsoft famously had teams at odds with each other, ... Instantly reminded me of this especially apt comic: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EyJfRwHWYAI0_yt?format=jpg [1] Also available here: https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/6jw33z/int...

I am either misreading it or it almost makes me want to work at Facebook. If only their product wouldn't be so utterly disgusting.

This comic was made a loooooonnnnnnggggg time ago (back when I worked at Facebook). It was actually a great place to work then, but that company no longer exists in any meaningful sense.

Re: Bill Gates tries to install MovieMaker (2003)

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Just last week, I was trying to sign up to Microsoft.com and got stuck in the captcha step. They have famously dysfunctional captcha system, people can't sign up to Microsoft and complain a lot about it online, and yet, it's not fixed. Microsoft always built dysfunctional software. They were never good at this. Hotmail was an unusable product, it was so painful to use it and Gmail took over the entire market in a yea…

> Hotmail was an unusable product, it was so painful to use it and Gmail took over the entire market in a year. Nobody ever said: "oh, I miss X about Hotmail" Hotmail was a 1997 acquisition: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outlook.com#Launch_of_Hotmail

yes?

Re: Bill Gates tries to install MovieMaker (2003)

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Even after 23 years, it feels good to read how much of a mess BillG himself knew he and his dishonest company were fostering upon the world. Just like the Windows98 "keep going" video. BillG has been largely sidelined after his exit from MS, divorce and Epstein involvement, but MS and Windows keep being the same or worse trash than in 2003 and they're still thriving. A real shame they haven't yet gone into the trashcan they so richly deserve...
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