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Cloud in a Bottle: making self-hosting accessible to everyone

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Re: Cloud in a Bottle: making self-hosting accessible to everyone

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Post by iFreilicht »

apitman wrote: post #318
mawise wrote: post #267

This isn't the hard part of self-hosting, at least not anymore. In the comments here there are lots of examples of similar projects that solve basically the same problem (app selection and deployment). To make self-hosting "easy" we need to solve domain registration, DNS management, and port-forwarding configuration. This probably requires a project more like OpenWRT that includes an API-driven relationship with a re…

Makes me a little sad that it's been almost exactly 6 years since I made this comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24475946 In that time I started a domain registrar, a free OpenID Connect login service ( https://lastlogin.net/ ), created the de facto list of tunneling tools ( https://github.com/anderspitman/awesome-tunneling ), and built a couple of my own tunneling tools (SirTunnel and boringproxy), all to…

I wholeheartedly agree with your comment and have thought a lot about how I would solve these problems. Considered founding a startup as well, but the market size is very unclear. I would say in theory, cloud-in-a-bottle already comes quite far. The only thing missing is another tier where imbue only provides you with a domain and a reverse-proxy so your home-server is reachable. Of course, their software would then also habe to manage the whole certificate lifecycle and DNS-challenge, but if it did, then you can have your server at home and not have to worry about how it manages to be reachable from the internet.

However, if I'm understanding you correctly, a solution like this would also be too much vendor lock-in for you, correct? If so, how independent do you wanna go? I think especially if you want people to be able to self-host from home, you will always need some proxy in the cloud. Or are you considering a DDNS setup?

Re: Cloud in a Bottle: making self-hosting accessible to everyone

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Post by abustamam »

jiaosdjf wrote: post #332
abustamam wrote: post #330

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah pretty much this. I tend to use Astro but I think your point still stands. I wanted to make a basic online agenda in a few different formats for a Toastmasters club and though I could have used raw html and css to build it, but each agenda had slightly different layout that would have been a lot of copy pasting in html and lots of room for error. With astro and react islands it was fairly simple to implement.

I had a similar problem and used 11ty to build static html from templates and markdown files. Works great and keeps you close to the metal

That sounds nifty, I'll check it out!

Re: Cloud in a Bottle: making self-hosting accessible to everyone

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Post by pseudocomposer »

I don’t really understand the benefit vs. Kubernetes? Like, with modern agents and a generic Kubernetes cluster (and there are SO MANY providers), a good LLM harness can do basically anything you’d want to do, if you structure your work properly.

And heck, harnesses like Claude Code have a phone friendly UI too.

Re: Cloud in a Bottle: making self-hosting accessible to everyone

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Post by TaLiTr »

zdragnar wrote: post #38
majorchord wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"It's weird seeing someone pay for food when they have a garden at home."

LLMs can be self hosted though. Using Claude to build a self hosting platform is a bit like telling people they should be vegan while you're eating a bacon sandwich.

In what way are those remotely similar?

Veganism is incompatible with bacon. You can self-host, and also pay for cloud services when they are better than what you can self-host.

If anything it's like suggesting making food instead of getting takeout while buying bread from the store, because it's better than what you can make at home.

Re: Cloud in a Bottle: making self-hosting accessible to everyone

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Post by TaLiTr »

charcircuit wrote: post #37

No offense, but this is not accessible to everyone. Seriously, take a look at the setup instructions and tell me with a straight face that a 4 year old could set this up. https://cloudinabottle.org/docs/setup/shared_homeserver.html There's no reason this couldn't be made as simple as double clicking a .exe and then the whole thing gets setup.

> Seriously, take a look at the setup instructions and tell me with a straight face that a 4 year old could set this up.

It's also not accessible to people in comas, what's your point? The instructions are "import the file into VM software" and that's enough to get you something you can connect to over a web browser.

Re: Cloud in a Bottle: making self-hosting accessible to everyone

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Post by 0c3ca83 »

majorchord wrote: post #33
0c3ca83 wrote: post #14

It's weird seeing someone trying to promote self-hosting, while building everything with Claude.

"It's weird seeing someone pay for food when they have a garden at home."

It's weird seeing someone promote home gardening by selling grocery store products.

Re: Cloud in a Bottle: making self-hosting accessible to everyone

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Post by TaLiTr »

Panzerschrek wrote: post #113

Making self-hosting really accessible isn't that easy, even if it's easy to setup the server machine itself. One needs to make their server machine accessible to everyone, which isn't generally possible due to how networks work, one needs a white IP address and making sure no incoming connections are rejected by the internet provider. Also one needs a domain. Obtaining it requires some bureaucratic burden, costs mone…

> One needs to make their server machine accessible to everyone

No not really, what gave you that idea?

> which isn't generally possible due to how networks work

Complete nonsense. Lots of people do it, many more have the capability even if they choose not to use it.

> Also one needs a domain

Nice to have, but completely optional.

> These barriers are high enough, so that common people can't create/host their own sites.

Are you talking about a website? Like a blog? If so you can have a Neocities site for free, with an optional 5 USD monthly subscription. That's the accessible, affordable option you're looking for.

Re: Cloud in a Bottle: making self-hosting accessible to everyone

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Post by TaLiTr »

klntsky wrote: post #120

There is a bit more mature project that does the same: https://selfprivacy.org

I'd say it's similar but not the same. One thing I can see from a quick skim is that cloud in a bottle can be set up on local infrastructure, this requires a cloud hosted VPS.
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