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Record-High 89% in U.S. Say Government Corruption Widespread

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Re: Record-High 89% in U.S. Say Government Corruption Widespread

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Post by aprilthird2021 »

iamnothere wrote: post #411
aprilthird2021 wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> short-sighted neoliberal trade deals and hostility to organized labor, which accelerated the process of hollowing out the country What if they weren't short-sighted and not hostile? Look at Germany, which did not do this and instead kept strong provisions in favor of organized labor and protecting their domestic industry from foreign entrants. They can't keep doing it anymore. That would have been our future. But w…

This ignores that Germany is not energy independent (unlike the US), and that it suddenly lost its main energy supply and followed this up by closing its remaining nuclear facilities, a massive self-own. This also ignores that the US is now having serious trouble supplying its own military and tech sector due to the same deindustrialization! It also basically created its most formidable geopolitical competitor throug…

No one is everything independent. And all are capable of losing their main supply of various important commodities.

Sure the US is having trouble with that. But the easy fix to that was to not start unnecessary wars

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Post by aprilthird2021 »

DarmokTanagra wrote: post #302
aprilthird2021 wrote: post #248

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Can you prove any corruption from another President similar to one very obvious case of corruption, where the UAE invested in a very clearly scam crypto company run by Trump's family (who have no crypto expertise) and then very soon after got contentious export licenses for Nvidia chips?

Grant and Harding are famous for being personally corrupt. Nixon resigned to avoid impeachment for political corruption. Reagan colluded with Iran to prevent the release of hostages during Carter's re-election campaign and later sold them weapons to bypass congressional oversight. These are just a couple well known examples at the presidential level, I am sure that for every one we know about there are dozens if hund…

And at least the last two of those were not brazen financial corruption which earned their committers over $1B USD

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Post by aprilthird2021 »

torstenvl wrote: post #548
budman1 wrote: post #406

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You can dislike Cheney's actions while in office, but I don't remember any scandals where he put money in his pocket.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halliburton

He donated all his Halliburton profits and said he would do so while VP once the conflict arose

Re: Record-High 89% in U.S. Say Government Corruption Widespread

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Post by chris_wot »

chronc7403 wrote: post #63
chris_wot wrote: post #53

I’m not an American. Those not American are frankly gobsmacked that U.S. citizens voted the current President in a second time. You all literally saw what he did in his first term!

> You all literally saw what he did in his first term! Yeah, he stopped US military from defending other countries for free. Soft power doesn’t pay your rent/mortgage.

Only because of his stupidity:

https://www.axios.com/2017/12/15/trumps-north-korean-armada-...

“ As President Trump publicly declared last week that he was "sending an armada" to the Sea of Japan in an attempt to send a message to North Korea, the carrier group was actually sailing thousands of miles in the other direction to war game with the Australian Navy, per the NYT, which reported that the mixup was due to "a glitch-ridden sequence of events."”

What’s funny is he started an UNE essay war with Iran, strengthened the Iranian regime and gave them a guaranteed income source from a toll Trump can’t get rid of. And this is your argument? You’re funny.

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Post by paisawalla »

datsci_est_2015 wrote: post #562
paisawalla wrote: post #535

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I don't know how to say this except by repeating myself: I recommend you ask a thoughtful person, or a capable LLM, to argue against "a big reason that ... [ad hominem patronization presented without evidence]" In the age of LLMs, it's pure negligence to let your perspective be this uninformed and low-resolution. And it's violence against the attentions of others to share it with them, to be hyperbolic. If this is yo…

> If you won't try and understand why people are the way they are, and instead are going with "they're all too stupid to know they're being fooled, unlike me" Unfortunately, being more aware than - and immune to being fooled than - the majority of a specific voting bloc is not a historical anomaly. Take, for example, the Jews who were privileged and fortunate enough to have the foresight to flee Europe during the ris…

"He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that."

Everyone thinks they know better than others, and that's why their group and way of thinking should lead. Because of this, reasonable people ought to feel the need to present results, or at least make credible and compelling arguments, for why their way should prevail. All I'm seeing here is hackneyed, and very strained, WW2 analogies. And weepy moralization.

The only thing exceptional here is the gall you're showing, in suggesting that these tired, middling arguments are reasons why actually "the voting booth is wrong and I'm right, even though I (presumably) value democracy"

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Post by lovich »

stinkbeetle wrote: post #569
lovich wrote: post #549

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You were not clear at all, I am asking for clarification. I thought that `atmavatar's question was clearly in response to your statement and you are saying it is not. Assume I am ignorant to the context of this conversation if need be. What were you referencing when you made your claim to needing evidence?

I was referencing the claims made in the post I replied to. I can't imagine what it is you're having so much difficulty with about that.

The difficulty is with you saying

> Yes possibly so I'd have to see the evidence for that,…

And then in your next comment

> Oh no, I don't need evidence…

You are being contradictory

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Post by scrubs »

rfrey wrote: post #258
scrubs wrote: post #93

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That 35% will change their tune if it screws their stuff up. Trump et al is great in the large unless he's your business partner or boss screwing your money and life up, hitting on your wife or daughter, owes you money etc. Cheap symbolism is appealing in a fog only, not in your face.

Plenty of people have become alienated from their own family due to blind loyalty to Trump and support for his cruelty. They remain loyal.

All the time? Oh, c'mon!

By the way two important social media strategies whether on TV or in text forums are,

1) appear unflappable

2) never deviate from the talking points

Read (1) and (2) with an implied parenthetical phrase: "when in public"

These are effective because the other side usually settles for small wins of seeing their counterpart flinch, feel lost or embarrassed i.e. to win in a fleeting way. Therefore, to the degree you can keep a straight face the better you deflect these small wins ... in public.

It has a strong secondary benefit of removing from context common sense, consistency i.e. the realm of cause/effect, policy where reality is more closely aligned. And when that goes out the window, your runway to BS is 10x longer.

Ejecting family wrongly arrested, misidentified, or those have followed the law (meager and crappy as it is sometimes), or who are denied due process is not unalloyed win in private people claim in public. Even if the guy is here is illegal and should be removed ... there's kids, money, and other dependencies involved. It's not the clean win people say.

What goes on off camera and off the HTML page is a whole other reality.

Here's an anecdote I heard personally: a guy I know went to Mar a Largo for a business function not related to Trump, but as a club house selling its meeting rooms and menu for revenue. My buddy is a non-white guy of considerable wealth, business success, and connections. This guy allegedly ran into Harris Faulkner (FOX news host) . During chit-chat she said she told this guy she does not associate with everything she says on camera. She continued to explain by saying she presents a viewpoint her employer pays her to convey.

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Post by cindyllm »

scrubs wrote: post #587
rfrey wrote: post #258

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Plenty of people have become alienated from their own family due to blind loyalty to Trump and support for his cruelty. They remain loyal.

All the time? Oh, c'mon! By the way two important social media strategies whether on TV or in text forums are, 1) appear unflappable 2) never deviate from the talking points Read (1) and (2) with an implied parenthetical phrase: "when in public" These are effective because the other side usually settles for small wins of seeing their counterpart flinch, feel lost or embarrassed i.e. to win in a fleeting way. Therefor…

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Post by stinkbeetle »

lovich wrote: post #586
stinkbeetle wrote: post #569

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I was referencing the claims made in the post I replied to. I can't imagine what it is you're having so much difficulty with about that.

The difficulty is with you saying > Yes possibly so I'd have to see the evidence for that,… And then in your next comment > Oh no, I don't need evidence… You are being contradictory

No I'm not people are just pretending not to understand. Either that or they're so incredibly stupid I find it hard to believe.

> Yes possibly so I'd have to see the evidence for [thing A]

> Oh no, I don't need evidence [for thing B]

I hope this clears everything up for you. Let me know if you're struggling with anything else and I'll try to dumb it down for you even more.

Re: Record-High 89% in U.S. Say Government Corruption Widespread

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Post by antonvs »

0xDEAFBEAD wrote: post #264
antonvs wrote: post #241

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As a general rule, someone trying to use a simple single numerical measure as a skeleton key to understand politics across nations is an ideologue with an agenda. As for the Genghis Khan comparison, I may have made an error. We may just be dealing with severe cognitive limitations here.

If you think slavery is the key to explaining everything about the US, the burden of proof is on you to show that. Just because something gets discussed a lot does not prove that it's important. Donald Trump is himself the child of immigrants who immigrated to the US well after the end of slavery, and maintained a residence in a state (New York) which opposed slavery. The relevance of slavery to his presidency is at…

The burden is on you to have studied the subject in even the slightest detail before you mouth off with your ridiculous hot takes. There are plenty of discussions of this available.

Do you need me to spoonfeed you about where you can find them? Or do you not actually have the intellectual capacity to be able to use a search engine, or a chatbot?

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