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Re: Switzerland's Federal Government Is Replacing Microsoft on 3k Computers

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Post by palata »

ciupicri wrote: post #273
palata wrote: post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it depends a lot on the country. If you go to countries that were invaded, people have been in contact with their grandparents. It's not "something that happened far away", it's "stories from family I've known". Of course in the US it's very different. That's possibly why Elon Musk can do Nazi salutes there and nothing happens. Of course not everybody cares: many people still buy Teslas in Europe. But I think…

> US it's very different. That's possibly why Elon Musk can do Nazi salutes there and nothing happens. What should have happened? The US has put emphasis on freedom from its inception, although in practice it still had McCarthyism which to say at least, harrased communists.

> What should have happened?

What do you mean? There are countries where one can go to jail for doing Nazi salutes. Just like in the US it is not tolerated to joke about shooting a kid at school (if you have seen the recent Snapchat story).

What should have happened, if you ask me, is that a lot more people should have boycotted Tesla and his other companies.

Re: Switzerland's Federal Government Is Replacing Microsoft on 3k Computers

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Post by vrganj »

0xDEAFBEAD wrote: post #280
vrganj wrote: post #231

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I don't know. It's your leadership that started the contest in the first place, take it up with them. Either way though, they decided to care and now they're trying to abandon their winning hand. You don't get to both play the game and then pretend you don't care.

>You don't get to both play the game and then pretend you don't care. Why not? You seem to think that these silly arguments based on your invented verbal classifications such as who is "playing the game" should count as constraints on US foreign policy. The fundamental problem is that we gave you a sweetheart deal for decades. You got used to it and took it for granted. Aspects of that deal are being renegotiated. Yo…

Because now that you started it, the Chinese won't stop playing. Your own behavior is what creates constraints, the irony is that you haven't even realized my language is purely descriptive of geopolitical grand strategy while yours is enacting the late stage imperial hubris I'm describing.

And it was you that is throwing away the sweetheart deal and still being arrogant about it.

You're correct that they were never entitlements. They were the bare minimum compensation for our support.

Re: Switzerland's Federal Government Is Replacing Microsoft on 3k Computers

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Post by vrganj »

0xDEAFBEAD wrote: post #279
8note wrote: post #248

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US defense leadership has been pretty consistent about wanting europe to expand defense funding, but spent on american defense industry, rather than European capacity and technology it has also been very unfriendly to europe building up any sovereignty, eg. to continue trading with Iran on the euro when the US pulled out of the JCPOA

>US defense leadership has been pretty consistent about wanting europe to expand defense funding, but spent on american defense industry, rather than European capacity and technology Try listening to the actual words that US leadership says instead of the creative interpretations that Europeans come up with.

We did. Maybe you should, too?

You're arguing with your imagination, my friend. Your leadership actually is like that, and the ignorance makes the arrogance look worse.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us-officials-object-european-p...

https://www.politico.eu/article/washington-lobbies-eu-agains...

Re: Switzerland's Federal Government Is Replacing Microsoft on 3k Computers

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Post by 0xDEAFBEAD »

vrganj wrote: post #282
0xDEAFBEAD wrote: post #280

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>You don't get to both play the game and then pretend you don't care. Why not? You seem to think that these silly arguments based on your invented verbal classifications such as who is "playing the game" should count as constraints on US foreign policy. The fundamental problem is that we gave you a sweetheart deal for decades. You got used to it and took it for granted. Aspects of that deal are being renegotiated. Yo…

Because now that you started it, the Chinese won't stop playing. Your own behavior is what creates constraints, the irony is that you haven't even realized my language is purely descriptive of geopolitical grand strategy while yours is enacting the late stage imperial hubris I'm describing. And it was you that is throwing away the sweetheart deal and still being arrogant about it. You're correct that they were never…

I don't consider European "support" to have much value. It seems to mostly come in the form of whining, lectures, and things which would happen anyways, such as trade.

Obama also considered you guys to be freeloaders: https://www.theatlantic.com/press-releases/archive/2016/03/t...

I don't particularly want the US to be a empire. I like the Swiss model better. We did something like this successfully pre-WW2.

Since the US alliance has been so burdensome for you, you should be happy about this development.

Re: Switzerland's Federal Government Is Replacing Microsoft on 3k Computers

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Post by Ey7NFZ3P0nzAe »

mft_ wrote: post #151
herbst wrote: post #55

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This was an issue, but at this point Microsoft is placing ads everywhere, negative news on my desktop, and update nags with changing buttons in every other start. Nothing about it is smooth or consistent anymore. Seriously I've learned about the death of hundreds of people when I switched on my music PC (the only reason I have one windows machine is music software) - I haven't asked for this, and I removed news befor…

None of those issues are a problem for corporate managed Windows installations, which would be the proper comparator in the case given in the article. There are other reasons that Windows sucks, even (or especially?) in a corporate environment, just not those.

I do see the same kind of ads (and many many other issues) on corporate computers at the Hospitals I work in. And to think we pay immensely for all this...

Re: Switzerland's Federal Government Is Replacing Microsoft on 3k Computers

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Post by 0xDEAFBEAD »

vrganj wrote: post #283
0xDEAFBEAD wrote: post #279

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>US defense leadership has been pretty consistent about wanting europe to expand defense funding, but spent on american defense industry, rather than European capacity and technology Try listening to the actual words that US leadership says instead of the creative interpretations that Europeans come up with.

We did. Maybe you should, too? You're arguing with your imagination, my friend. Your leadership actually is like that, and the ignorance makes the arrogance look worse. https://www.reuters.com/world/us-officials-object-european-p... https://www.politico.eu/article/washington-lobbies-eu-agains...

>"One of the self-evident conclusions of the war in Ukraine was … the European continent and America'[s] underinvestment … in [their] defense industrial base[s] — the ability to produce munitions [and] emerging technologies rapidly and field them, was a blind spot exposed through the aggression against Ukraine," he said.

>The U.S., Ukraine and Europe are all expanding their industrial bases, but more must be done.

https://www.war.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/406681...

US leadership has been consistent in encouraging Europe to expand its defense-industrial base. Excluding the US from weapons procurement is not the same thing.

Re: Switzerland's Federal Government Is Replacing Microsoft on 3k Computers

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Post by vrganj »

0xDEAFBEAD wrote: post #286
vrganj wrote: post #283

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We did. Maybe you should, too? You're arguing with your imagination, my friend. Your leadership actually is like that, and the ignorance makes the arrogance look worse. https://www.reuters.com/world/us-officials-object-european-p... https://www.politico.eu/article/washington-lobbies-eu-agains...

>"One of the self-evident conclusions of the war in Ukraine was … the European continent and America'[s] underinvestment … in [their] defense industrial base[s] — the ability to produce munitions [and] emerging technologies rapidly and field them, was a blind spot exposed through the aggression against Ukraine," he said. >The U.S., Ukraine and Europe are all expanding their industrial bases, but more must be done. ht…

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Re: Switzerland's Federal Government Is Replacing Microsoft on 3k Computers

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Post by vrganj »

0xDEAFBEAD wrote: post #284
vrganj wrote: post #282

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because now that you started it, the Chinese won't stop playing. Your own behavior is what creates constraints, the irony is that you haven't even realized my language is purely descriptive of geopolitical grand strategy while yours is enacting the late stage imperial hubris I'm describing. And it was you that is throwing away the sweetheart deal and still being arrogant about it. You're correct that they were never…

I don't consider European "support" to have much value. It seems to mostly come in the form of whining, lectures, and things which would happen anyways, such as trade. Obama also considered you guys to be freeloaders: https://www.theatlantic.com/press-releases/archive/2016/03/t... I don't particularly want the US to be a empire. I like the Swiss model better. We did something like this successfully pre-WW2. Since the…

One recurring issue here has been that the American public is apparently operating under the assumption that their personal preferences are directly translatable into geopolitical reality. You can want things and you can even vote for them, but you are within a larger system who's other factors or trajectory you don't control.

Personally, I think realistically with that in mind, the EU should work for rapprochement with China considering America's current loss of ambition.

Most importantly, I think this whole frame is way too stuck in the inane back-and-forth between states, when I believe Climate Change is the defining issue of our time - for all of us, independent of national allegiance.

With this humanity defining issue in mind, the American behavior becomes particularly dangerous, not honoring their international commitments and actively making the problem worse while pretending the world could be the same as a hundred years ago.

We need to move forward and deal with the problems of right now, instead of harking back to some perceived glory days. History flows forwards, not backwards. We don't have time for these petty squabbles, we can't afford to wait for you to get your house in order.

The final irony is that now apparently you're praising the Swiss model after just calling it "moral facade that allows them to dodge responsibility"? Which one is it? An example to inspire or a dodge to avoid? Once again, you want your cake and eat it.

Re: Switzerland's Federal Government Is Replacing Microsoft on 3k Computers

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Post by disgruntledphd2 »

0xDEAFBEAD wrote: post #278
disgruntledphd2 wrote: post #223

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> We won in Iraq 2 as well, Only if you ignore the rise of ISIS and various militias, along with the collapse of Iraqi society (mind you, the sanctions had done a pretty good job of wrecking that before GW2 anyway).

>the rise of ISIS and various militias Where is ISIS now? >the collapse of Iraqi society Iraq's human development index is currently higher than it's ever been. It has a fairly typical human development index for its region. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/human-development-index?t... You guys will define "winning" so narrowly that if the Middle East continues to be volatile, that means the US must've lost. The ty…

> You guys will define "winning" so narrowly that if the Middle East continues to be volatile, that means the US must've lost. The type of victory that the US achieved in WW2 is an atypically high standard for "victory".

Sorry what, I wasn't aware that I was a member of you guys.

Look, the US invaded Iraq in GW2, they killed off Saddam very quickly, but taking control of the country and settling down all of the violence took well over a decade, and dealing with ISIS took much the same amount of time.

You can regard that as a victory, but it sure doesn't look like much of one to me, particularly as Saddam (for all his faults) suppressed the militias like ISIS who ended up becoming a major concern for the US.

In a world where the US had never invaded Iraq, do you think the region would look much different today?

Re: Switzerland's Federal Government Is Replacing Microsoft on 3k Computers

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Post by trueno »

wateralien wrote: post #134
theplumber wrote: post #77

A Mac studio ultra with linux is the best computer I ever had. The only small thing that I miss is the copy/paste from iphone to the computer sync. It seems to me really that there is no going back to macOS any time soon. I don’t think I would still be able to “compute” on Windows.

> I miss is the copy/paste from iphone to the computer sync Such a key feature and probably the one thing that keeps me locked into the Apple ecosystem

it like stopped working for me this week no idea why
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