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Re: Switzerland's Federal Government Is Replacing Microsoft on 3k Computers

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Post by vrganj »

0xDEAFBEAD wrote: post #196
vrganj wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because there's three grand powers in the world and two of them are locked in contest. The third one is the only one that can shift the balance of powers, so it gets to be kingmaker.

Why should I care about winning this contest?

I don't know. It's your leadership that started the contest in the first place, take it up with them.

Either way though, they decided to care and now they're trying to abandon their winning hand. You don't get to both play the game and then pretend you don't care.

Re: Switzerland's Federal Government Is Replacing Microsoft on 3k Computers

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Post by palata »

philipallstar wrote: post #100
rich_sasha wrote: post #11

The real risk to MS here is when people take the plunge and see how much nicer a (well supported, well put together) Linux distro is, compared to Windows etc! Will they want to buy their next laptop at home with MSFT installed? Plus, if countries moving off Microsoft put a fraction of the savings into libre office product development, it might get an even more lopsided comparison!

I wouldn't assume that moving off Microsoft will save money, or not for a long time. All staff will need a lot of retraining. Or: if Microsoft are very smart they'll have Office for Linux and a GPO connector to manage Linux devices (and divert logins via Entra) in the wings, so much less retraining will be required.

I am not so convinced: most staff do relatively basic stuff with MS365, right?

People don't like to even try something else, but when they have no choice, it doesn't take them 5 years to understand how to select text in one of the Microsoft Word competitors and click "bold".

Re: Switzerland's Federal Government Is Replacing Microsoft on 3k Computers

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Post by palata »

hn_submit wrote: post #106

Why don't they replace Windows with Linux Mint? That would be much more groundbreaking than simply replacing online Office and Outlook. If you use Linux Mint you can replace Office with LibreOffice (offline) and Outlook with one of the many email clients available for Linux.

They consistently choose to depend more and more on the US (see the latest military developments). I'm already surprised they would even consider an alternative to MS365.

Re: Switzerland's Federal Government Is Replacing Microsoft on 3k Computers

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Post by palata »

dash2 wrote: post #141

Guys, this is so pathetic. Twenty-three years after Munich and there are still comments waiting for the year of the Linux desktop. From a deployment about big enough for a small university. Stop! You’re embarrassing yourselves!

The French "gendarmerie" has been on Linux for decades now, hasn't it?

Re: Switzerland's Federal Government Is Replacing Microsoft on 3k Computers

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Post by mft_ »

herbst wrote: post #215
delta_p_delta_x wrote: post #206

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On any Windows release, you can switch all of those off, and GPE out the update channels for non-system-critical changes. Windows Enterprise doesn't even get the so-called 'fun stuff'.

I only have this one windows PC and I hate it, so correct me if I am wrong but I can't simply turn these off. First I either need to understand the registry or trust some third party software, and second windows just turns it on again in the next updates where I have to go back and trust random third party software again. Every other onboard tool or software wastes space to advertise for some AI or office subscriptio…

Yes; as a home user you have to use some 3rd party script or software to achieve the same outcome, but there are examples that are well-regarded and open-source.

e.g. https://github.com/raphire/win11debloat

Re: Switzerland's Federal Government Is Replacing Microsoft on 3k Computers

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Post by petesergeant »

palata wrote: post #227
petesergeant wrote: post #108

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> That was maybe the last time, the US did anything "good" for the world. As a non-Swiss, non-American, I can assure you you need to study both American and Swiss modern history. The Swiss were far, far too cozy with the Nazis, and the Americans have done a spectacular amount of good since WWII ended.

Genuinely interested: - Would you say that "France was far, far too cozy with the Nazis"? Half of France was occupied for most of the war, after all. And enough people were collaborating. - Would you say that the UK was far, far too cozy with the Nazis? They considered not fighting against them in the beginning. - Would you say that the US was far, far too cozy with the Nazis? They didn't do anything for years, until…

> Would you say that "France was far, far too cozy with the Nazis"?

Vichy France? Yes, of course. It's taught to French school children as a deeply disgraceful chapter of French history, despite it being under significant pressure. The North was under military occupation, having put up a fight. Collaborationist politicians were put to death after the war.

> the [UK/US] was far, far too cozy with the Nazis?

ok bro.

Re: Switzerland's Federal Government Is Replacing Microsoft on 3k Computers

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Post by palata »

embedding-shape wrote: post #222
palata wrote: post #220

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What? My grandmother experienced it herself, she saw bombings.

Right, I didn't mean "Everyone who was alive during WW2 is today dead", that's obviously not true, it was just 80 years ago or so. What I meant was that most people who discuss WW2 with others online, mostly talk from the perspective of not having experienced the war themselves, nor did the person who they speak to, most likely.

I think it depends a lot on the country.

If you go to countries that were invaded, people have been in contact with their grandparents. It's not "something that happened far away", it's "stories from family I've known".

Of course in the US it's very different. That's possibly why Elon Musk can do Nazi salutes there and nothing happens. Of course not everybody cares: many people still buy Teslas in Europe. But I think the WW2 memory is not as far as you make it sound.

Re: Switzerland's Federal Government Is Replacing Microsoft on 3k Computers

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Post by palata »

petesergeant wrote: post #236
palata wrote: post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Genuinely interested: - Would you say that "France was far, far too cozy with the Nazis"? Half of France was occupied for most of the war, after all. And enough people were collaborating. - Would you say that the UK was far, far too cozy with the Nazis? They considered not fighting against them in the beginning. - Would you say that the US was far, far too cozy with the Nazis? They didn't do anything for years, until…

> Would you say that "France was far, far too cozy with the Nazis"? Vichy France? Yes, of course. It's taught to French school children as a deeply disgraceful chapter of French history, despite it being under significant pressure. The North was under military occupation, having put up a fight. Collaborationist politicians were put to death after the war. > the [UK/US] was far, far too cozy with the Nazis? ok bro.

Well, "bro", I was trying to see what you consider "far, far too cozy".

So apparently you consider that Switzerland was obviously just like Vichy France? At least obviously-enough to "ok bro" me?

Re: Switzerland's Federal Government Is Replacing Microsoft on 3k Computers

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Post by embedding-shape »

the__alchemist wrote: post #199
pjc50 wrote: post #90

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> closing their borders to fleeing Jews. This is such a landmine topic, because most countries did this, including the UK and the US; see e.g. the MS St. Louis. This is why there are several "heroes of the resistance" that in modern parlance are "people smugglers", forging credentials and visas in order to help people escape. Today you see exactly the same hostile attitudes to non-white refugees of basically every wa…

Niels Bohr, the Great Dane, was one of these skid greasers! He worked with the queen of Sweden, and also used his academic contacts in various countries to secure jobs/visas.

> He worked with the queen of Sweden

Interesting connection, as her father was a foreign member of the Nazi party (while living in Brazil) and had lied about his Nazi affiliation in the past. When he moved back to Germany, he joined the main party.

Re: Switzerland's Federal Government Is Replacing Microsoft on 3k Computers

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Post by Rochus »

palata wrote: post #228
khalic wrote: post #132

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That’s a lot of misconceptions for one paragraph…

I believe they are saying two things: - They feel like the Swiss person above shouldn't say stuff like "the US were never friends". And... you know... they are entitled to their feelings, I guess? - Switzerland should not have become dependent on BigTech (or any kind of external tech). Which goes in the direction of digital sovereignty.

To the point, thanks.
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