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Switzerland's Federal Government Is Replacing Microsoft on 3k Computers

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Re: Switzerland's Federal Government Is Replacing Microsoft on 3k Computers

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Bankrolling is an editorial word that implies almost a one way benefit.

Bailey: "Did you know that the US basically never does anything good for the world?" Motte: "Well when the US does something good for the world the US also benefits."

Yes, the world should get it for free, but that mean nothing because the US gets something back at all. It's mad. I'm not from the US, but it's obvious why cutting global funding was popular in the US.

Re: Switzerland's Federal Government Is Replacing Microsoft on 3k Computers

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As a Swiss, I'm happy they finally try it. It's only around 5% of all government machines, but at least it's a start and I wish them all the best! We have to get independent asap from the US, they never were our (or any other countries) "friends" and most likely never will be. OSS ftw!

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Re: Switzerland's Federal Government Is Replacing Microsoft on 3k Computers

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Guys, this is so pathetic. Twenty-three years after Munich and there are still comments waiting for the year of the Linux desktop. From a deployment about big enough for a small university. Stop! You’re embarrassing yourselves!

Also: it is unclear if this is a switch on operating system, the article only mentions MS Office and OpenOffice. And it is only on 7% off the government's computers.

There isn't really anything worth attention here. Pathetic, indeed.

Re: Switzerland's Federal Government Is Replacing Microsoft on 3k Computers

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Lifelong Linux/Unix user here, I love the widespread adoption of Linux. But comments like this one makes me think people don't realize what a MacGyvere'd together hack job a Linux distro truly is. The idea on paper is that a company like Microsoft can offer a more consistent and stable experience, but apparently they're even failing at that these days. But to look at a Linux distro as an alternative to consistency an…

The main thing that has changed isn't that Linux has got much better but that most corporations deliver their internal applications through a web browser. The days of companies being anchored to win32 are long gone. Of course there are exceptions like Excel but that is rarely more than a small portion of the workforce.

> Of course there are exceptions like Excel but that is rarely more than a small portion of the workforce.

Excel is still a huge (ginormous) moat, particularly as MS have built basically all of their data tools into it.

Unless someone creates a better Excel, MS will be around ~forever.

And even if only a small proportion of the workforce needs excel, those people tend to be concentrated in the portion of the business which measures money, which means it'll never get cancelled.

That being said, I do think that basically all institutions in the EU/Europe need to get off the US tech stack, as inevitably it'll be weaponised against us.

Re: Switzerland's Federal Government Is Replacing Microsoft on 3k Computers

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Be nice if a bunch of you woke up to fucking vote once in a while.

The number of so-called liberals in my life who didn't vote in 2024 because "both sides suck" is greater than zero, and this gnaws at me every time I think about it.

I am not offended at the idea of countries decoupling from cloud- and AI- laced US business software. Dunno how manageable Linux DEs are via enterprise MDM but KDE rocks these days.

Re: Switzerland's Federal Government Is Replacing Microsoft on 3k Computers

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Why does Europe get to be the belle? Why can't the US be the belle? Early in the invasion of Ukraine, when Biden was sending billions of dollars in support, the internet was full of anger from Europeans that the US wasn't sending even more . Did you ever think that we might be getting "increasingly tired of your entitled attitude"?

Because there's three grand powers in the world and two of them are locked in contest. The third one is the only one that can shift the balance of powers, so it gets to be kingmaker.

Why should I care about winning this contest?

Re: Switzerland's Federal Government Is Replacing Microsoft on 3k Computers

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When the US wins, it tends to be quick, clean, and easily forgotten. Consider our victories against ISIS, or against Saddam in the Gulf War. Both cases where an expansionist power violated territorial integrity norms by engaging in conquest, and was defeated by a US-led coalition.

> against Saddam in the Gulf War I really hope you're referring to GW1, rather than 2. And yeah, if you weren't a Kurd who believed GW Bush, then that was a pretty effective war from the US (and global) perspective.

We won in Iraq 2 as well, and considering the fight against conventional Iraqi forces, they were quickly defeated.

Re: Switzerland's Federal Government Is Replacing Microsoft on 3k Computers

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Switzerland was “neutral” not neutral. The Swiss certainly crossed into the complicit side quite often, profiting from the Nazi regime, laundering their looted gold and closing their borders to fleeing Jews.

> closing their borders to fleeing Jews. This is such a landmine topic, because most countries did this, including the UK and the US; see e.g. the MS St. Louis. This is why there are several "heroes of the resistance" that in modern parlance are "people smugglers", forging credentials and visas in order to help people escape. Today you see exactly the same hostile attitudes to non-white refugees of basically every wa…

Niels Bohr, the Great Dane, was one of these skid greasers! He worked with the queen of Sweden, and also used his academic contacts in various countries to secure jobs/visas.

Re: Switzerland's Federal Government Is Replacing Microsoft on 3k Computers

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Another saying is: "The beatings will continue until morale improves." The US sent billions to Ukraine, and what did we get in return? Europeans telling us that "the last time the US did anything good for the world was WW2". It's not about hegemons vs non-hegemons either. China sends war supplies to Russia and Europe barely complains. How about this: Consider our loss of support for Ukraine as an abandonment of aspir…

> How about this: Consider our loss of support for Ukraine as an abandonment of aspirations of hegemony in Eastern Europe. But you are not abandoning those aspirations, that's the problem. The US has spent decades embedding itself into the security and foreign policy structures of other countries, effectively giving itself veto power over the decisions of tens of countries. Now it unwilling to use that power responsi…

First, I have serious disagreements with current US leadership.

Second, everything I've seen from the current US defense leadership has been consistent on encouraging Europe to build up its defense-industrial base.

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