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Re: Switzerland's Federal Government Is Replacing Microsoft on 3k Computers

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Post by dmantis »

monssooon wrote: post #120

It is sad that EU and USA are falling away from eachother. IMO we should try and stick together in these times. No doubt the US has financed a lot of things for te entire world and no doubt the European countries have put in a lot of effort too. I don't think we should argue over it. We have issues with privacy rights, elder burden, geopolitical turmoil, growing debt burden, environment and so on in all places we nee…

What's wrong with having more sovereignty over your data and infrastructure? You don't need to stop working on the mentioned issues together but cutting foreign spies the access to your citizens data and reducing their leverage.

That's life, spies going to spy, state psychopaths from the military and the three-latter agencies exist regardless whether you see them or not and they don't care about the "common good". They must be taken into the account.

The less power humans have over each other - the better. Instead of pressuring each other to bring profits people would be able to speak like equals.

Re: Switzerland's Federal Government Is Replacing Microsoft on 3k Computers

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Post by vrganj »

0xDEAFBEAD wrote: post #116
vrganj wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With great power comes great responsibility, it's not that complicated a concept. Switzerland doesn't have any aspirations to be the global hegemon, so they don't get graded on the global hegemon scale.

Another saying is: "The beatings will continue until morale improves." The US sent billions to Ukraine, and what did we get in return? Europeans telling us that "the last time the US did anything good for the world was WW2". It's not about hegemons vs non-hegemons either. China sends war supplies to Russia and Europe barely complains. How about this: Consider our loss of support for Ukraine as an abandonment of aspir…

The thing is, if you don't help us in Eastern Europe, you don't just lose hegemonial status there. You lose all of Europe and with that the very foundation of your power.

It's not Anti-Americanism, but if you want to go out with the belle of the ball, you actually have to try.

You don't get to date her by default, and she is getting increasingly tired of your entitled attitude.

Ukraine already is our problem, the vast majority of support comes from Europe. It's your continued insistence that you don't even have to try while expecting us to stay by your side that is the issue. A friend that keeps asking for more while not helping in need is not a friend at all.

Re: Switzerland's Federal Government Is Replacing Microsoft on 3k Computers

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Post by 0xDEAFBEAD »

vrganj wrote: post #122
0xDEAFBEAD wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another saying is: "The beatings will continue until morale improves." The US sent billions to Ukraine, and what did we get in return? Europeans telling us that "the last time the US did anything good for the world was WW2". It's not about hegemons vs non-hegemons either. China sends war supplies to Russia and Europe barely complains. How about this: Consider our loss of support for Ukraine as an abandonment of aspir…

The thing is, if you don't help us in Eastern Europe, you don't just lose hegemonial status there. You lose all of Europe and with that the very foundation of your power. It's not Anti-Americanism, but if you want to go out with the belle of the ball, you actually have to try. You don't get to date her by default, and she is getting increasingly tired of your entitled attitude. Ukraine already is our problem, the vas…

>The thing is, if you don't help us in Eastern Europe, you don't just lose hegemonial status there. You lose all of Europe and with that the very foundation of your power.

If that means you're going to stop blaming us for everything, it sounds fantastic.

BTW if you think Europe is "the very foundation" of American power you're delusional.

>You don't get us by default, and we are getting increasingly tired of your entitled attitude.

As I stated in another comment thread:

"For years our leaders told you to be less dependent on us. Now you're speaking as though your dependency on us was some kind of favor you were doing for us. It's mind-blowing how out-of-touch you guys can be."

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49574103

Re: Switzerland's Federal Government Is Replacing Microsoft on 3k Computers

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

Atariman wrote: post #61
mrits wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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We were neutral, but it's always funny how many US-guys always bring up WW2. That was maybe the last time, the US did anything "good" for the world. But yeah, I think it's useless to argue with you.

USAid did "good" for the world, but because people took it for granted and it wasn't in the news until it was stopped (which has cost lives).

Re: Switzerland's Federal Government Is Replacing Microsoft on 3k Computers

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Post by rrr_oh_man »

Cipater wrote: post #44
LtWorf wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They might know their own use case better than you and I?

Their comment said "most users".

I don’t know what’s going these days.

Users seem to have become much more combative, yet shorter in attention span and shallower in understanding

Re: Switzerland's Federal Government Is Replacing Microsoft on 3k Computers

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Post by 0xDEAFBEAD »

noja wrote: post #113
philipallstar wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That was maybe the last time, the US did anything "good" for the world. But yeah, I think it's useless to argue with you. This is a completely mad assessment. Haven't you noticed the massive issues with scientific, health, and social funding globally now the US taxpayer has stopped bankrolling it?

Bankrolling is an editorial word that implies almost a one way benefit.

Bailey: "Did you know that the US basically never does anything good for the world?"

Motte: "Well when the US does something good for the world the US also benefits."

Re: Switzerland's Federal Government Is Replacing Microsoft on 3k Computers

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Post by 0xDEAFBEAD »

vrganj wrote: post #122
0xDEAFBEAD wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another saying is: "The beatings will continue until morale improves." The US sent billions to Ukraine, and what did we get in return? Europeans telling us that "the last time the US did anything good for the world was WW2". It's not about hegemons vs non-hegemons either. China sends war supplies to Russia and Europe barely complains. How about this: Consider our loss of support for Ukraine as an abandonment of aspir…

The thing is, if you don't help us in Eastern Europe, you don't just lose hegemonial status there. You lose all of Europe and with that the very foundation of your power. It's not Anti-Americanism, but if you want to go out with the belle of the ball, you actually have to try. You don't get to date her by default, and she is getting increasingly tired of your entitled attitude. Ukraine already is our problem, the vas…

Why does Europe get to be the belle? Why can't the US be the belle? Early in the invasion of Ukraine, when Biden was sending billions of dollars in support, the internet was full of anger from Europeans that the US wasn't sending even more. Did you ever think that we might be getting "increasingly tired of your entitled attitude"?

Re: Switzerland's Federal Government Is Replacing Microsoft on 3k Computers

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Post by ezst »

eternauta3k wrote: post #110
glimshe wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Linux is largely financed by American corporations. Without that, Linux wouldn't be anywhere near what it is today.

And without American AI to patch security holes, Linux and the software running on it will become hopelessly insecure.

Yeah, because the only thing that's for certain is that American LLMs are so special that they cannot be reproduced, as everyone has been knowing already in 2023 from the public "we have a gigantic moat" Google memo.

Re: Switzerland's Federal Government Is Replacing Microsoft on 3k Computers

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Post by [deleted] »

glimshe wrote: post #89
Atariman wrote: post #41

As a Swiss, I'm happy they finally try it. It's only around 5% of all government machines, but at least it's a start and I wish them all the best! We have to get independent asap from the US, they never were our (or any other countries) "friends" and most likely never will be. OSS ftw!

Linux is largely financed by American corporations. Without that, Linux wouldn't be anywhere near what it is today.

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